SUMMARY KEYWORDS
pyramids, people, sound, healing, instruments, energy, gong, world, vibrations, Peter McIntosh, build, didgeridoo, centre, talking, realise, drum, frequency, resonance, neighbours, Pyramids of Chi, singing bowls, Ubud, Bali
SPEAKERS
Martin O'Toole, Julia Malcolmson, Peter McIntosh, Jordon
Martin O'Toole 00:28
Alright Jules.
Julia Malcolmson 00:29
Hello there Martin
Martin O'Toole 00:31
What happening?
Julia Malcolmson 00:31
What happening? oh we just got back from Ubud another little trip down to Uber to enjoy some delicious food and get a night away
Martin O'Toole 00:39
and think ding ding It's official my 43 day detox is over.
Julia Malcolmson 00:45
How did you celebrate
Martin O'Toole 00:47
with some alchemy banoffee pie plant based benefi pie and chocolate ice cream plant based chocolate ice cream and toppings are plant based toppings. And that was yesterday today with my breakfast and an actual breakfast also plant based breakfast I had plant based waffles with coconut whip and caramel sauce chocolate sauce.
Julia Malcolmson 01:15
You jumped back in in slowly into the
Martin O'Toole 01:18
it was a it's a steady and calm reintegration. And how was it this epic? absolutely epic. And I have no apologies to make for my body has been hanging out almost two months that was without a dessert. Well,
Julia Malcolmson 01:36
you did very well.
Martin O'Toole 01:37
And let's face it, it was plant based dessert. And as we all know, vegan desserts are they're really good for you.
Julia Malcolmson 01:44
In moderation, yes.
Martin O'Toole 01:47
Anyway, so we just got back from a bird. And we're going to talk about that in a second. But before we do, I am conscious we've cracked out or about to crack out 12 episodes plus, I don't know eight or nine chin Wags and we are nearing the end of the year we're actually nearing the end of the season. So I just wanted to thank our listeners and we're gonna do it again. But I want to thank our listeners and just to say how are we doing? You know, let us know we've had some incredible reviews on Apple podcasts from from you people listening so thank you like gratitude in abundance. But any ideas you have any thoughts you have even if you just want to tell us we're really quite bad at podcasting. Be honest Yeah, well just just fires an email with anything with any thoughts you know and love hate.
Julia Malcolmson 02:42
You can leave us a voicemail on our website,
Martin O'Toole 02:45
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Julia Malcolmson 03:08
or Julia@how to die happy podcast dot com.
Martin O'Toole 03:13
The point being we are making this for you. So please feel free to let us know what you think, you know, how are we doing? So who did we talk to in this special episode of how to die happy
Julia Malcolmson 03:30
we spoke to Peter McIntosh who is the founder of the pyramids of Chi in Ubud Bali. And we also spoke to one of the gong masters Jordan, who's talked us through a lot of the instruments that he would use during a sound healing ceremony.
Martin O'Toole 03:46
So unpack that from the beginning, what the pyramids of Chi and what is sound healing?
Julia Malcolmson 03:54
Well, the pyramids of chi are actually as they say, they are pyramids. They've been built in the middle of the rice paddies in Ubud. And there's three pyramids, two of which are purpose built for sound healing ceremonies,
Martin O'Toole 04:05
and Peter and his wife, Lynn, who are Australian originally built the pyramids of chi, I'm not going to spoil the whole story because Peter tells the entire story and I suppose I must remember that before I came to Bali and started doing all manner of phenomenal alternative healing stuff. I had never heard of sound healing I didn't know what I didn't even know what isochronic tones were or binaural beats. I had no idea of the healing power of frequency and the what the power Yeah, the absolute innate power of frequency on our mind, body and spirit
Julia Malcolmson 04:45
it's definitely becoming more mainstream now. Like sound healing. I hear a lot more about it these days like a lot of people are offering it. I've got a lot of friends in London offer sound healing,
Martin O'Toole 04:55
which is great, that that is phenomenal, especially if the cities in the Western and people are still They're starting to get their head around it. Actually the first breathwork session I ever had, which I thought was here it actually wasn't it was in London it was with a wonderful chap called Stu Scottish bloke. And he has a setup called Breath pod. In fact, I think Steve's like a radio one breathwork DJ, dude now on Radio One. Yeah, I think they've actually Radio One. And now he's got a regular slot on Radio One doing guided breathwork which is athlete easing. Well, isn't it for that, for those of you who are not from the UK, Radio One is BBC Radio. And that is the main public radio station. So. So things have advanced rather a lot. But the first breathwork session I did was in a really swanky gym in Shoreditch. And he and his lovely partner facilitated, and they they collaborated with a sound healer, and she had a gong, and she had some, I think she had crystal singing bowls and a couple of other beautiful instruments. And I it was a transcendental experience. For me, it was an incredible breathwork session. All this to say, for those of you who have no idea what sound healing is, there is hard science behind this. But again, yet again, we find ourselves doing a podcast episode where we are talking about an incredibly ancient practice that is now gaining more and more support through science, and through the simple fact that it is actually having a transformational effect on people. And yet again, we see that people are, are turning back to ancient practices in order to heal. So, you know, again, we're sort of building we're bridging that, that gap between science and spirituality. And this is a really wonderful episode. It's a little bit lengthy. So please do bear with us because we didn't just speak to Peter. As Joel said, we spoke to Jordan. So we're in two different locations on site. And Jordan actually gives us a little talk around some of the instruments and then Jordan gave you a very short sound healing session.
Julia Malcolmson 07:18
Yeah, he did it was magical. I've never had a private sound healing but after that. I definitely want to get one. Yeah. And it was only three minutes and really powerful.
Martin O'Toole 07:27
So And ideally, it's usually 45 minutes to an hour, right. Yeah. So yeah, we really hope you enjoy this.
Julia Malcolmson 07:36
And we'd like to give a big special thanks to Peter.
Martin O'Toole 07:39
Yes. Didn't actually say thank you to him in the recording and do because he had to shoot off.
Julia Malcolmson 07:43
Yes, he did. So we'd like to say a big thank you, Peter, for coming on the show and for allowing us to sample some of the wonderful sound healing.
Martin O'Toole 07:53
Yeah. Okay. Well, this is Jules and I at the pyramids of chi.
07:59
Julia Malcolmson 08:16
so Peter, what did your neighbours say? When you announced you were building two pyramids in a rice field?
Peter McIntosh 08:25
Well, we weren't really in contact with much of our neighbours then because we'd been living in America. But one of my sons nailed it is number three son big tall, redheaded fella six foot six. And is the only spiritual one in our family. And he said that he does some crazy shit in your life. But now we think you've really lost it. And now when he comes up here, he's fantastic. You know, he just he just loves the whole thing. He'll be sitting up there in the cafe, doing a bit of drawing is a graphic artist and an artist. And you'll see someone sitting by themselves. And he'll wander over and start chatting to them and say, Would you like a bit of a tour around the place? I can show you all around. Not do your work here today, but my dad owns a place to convert. Yeah. So as far as neighbours go, they kind of were a bit sceptical. I've really got very, very few friends from the corporate life that I had. They all think of going over to the other side. I have to say, I think it'll go to the light side this along the dark side perspective, and so they kind of shake their heads when I walk into a room these days. But what we have done as we have just grown our friendship base unbelievably so through the pyramids, people come here, they love it. They love talking to us, and then result of That is that we've got 1000s and 1000s of people all over the world that are our ambassadors. They're the ones that tell everybody about what we're doing here. You know, as I was saying earlier, we don't do much advertising, bit of word of mouth, any word of mouth, advertising, a little bit of social media, a bit of signage, but other than that, the people live with a scene and they tell others
Julia Malcolmson 10:24
great, and that's such a beautiful way to get the word out when it's very organically, organically done. And then you feel like it's much more genuine.
Peter McIntosh 10:31
Will people react to that if someone's told about what's happened at the Pyramids of Chi, there now make a point of coming in, we've had it from just about every corner in the world. So it's, it's a good feeling to know that others are out there telling people what we're doing.
Martin O'Toole 10:50
I think I've probably met people from all over the world coming here so many times, it's, it's a truly unique place. We are currently sitting in one of three pyramids in the centre of some rice paddies in the outskirts of Oberlin. So if I look out the pyramid winning right now has windows because it's a workshop pyramid. But if I look out the window, I can see jungle and rice paddies. So just to give you an idea of the setting, it is literally 50 Shades of lush green everywhere you look. But when you started to construct these, these the first two pyramids in the middle of these rice paddies, what were the Balinese folks saying then, when did you have anything to do with the local folks in the early days?
Peter McIntosh 11:38
We did because we looked everywhere. You've heard my story, I had a vision and the vision was to build two pyramids. And I got told a very strong message, you know, great believer in spirit God universe. I'm not religious, but I am a believer. And so we looked all over. But my wife that was crazy suggesting we build pyramids in Bali.
Martin O'Toole 12:03
I mean, it's an unusual suggestion on a Sunday.
Peter McIntosh 12:07
When I came in, I said, Oh, darling, darling. And you know, Julia, what? Exactly, I told her I'd had this vision and had the words come through to me. So we decided, well, let's see if it's my imagination, or let's look around and see if we can find some land. We looked everywhere in two days, before we do to return back to Perth. We haven't been walking on some land a little bit further the other side of the road here. That didn't feel right, came for a wander across these rice fields here. As I stepped onto the rice field, that banana was pyramid sitting on, I got the goosebumps all the way out the back of my arms. And I turned around to Lynn who was right behind me. And before it even opened her mouth. She said I just got it to the time we'd made our way 300 metres or she from America 300 yards down to the river, which is winding its way through rice fields, which are full of water. We just knew that that's where it was meant to be. But then the next hurdle was in talking to the man that had been showing us other land. We said, okay, Newman, what about this land here? We really like it, we feel it's good, not not available, not available. The man that owns his land is one of the wealthiest men in the village. He won't, he won't lease it out to you. He cannot buy land here. He could only lease it. And we said, well, we asked him and he said, I'm gonna waste your time waste your time. Well, the one thing he gets to know about Balinese is they cannot handle confrontation of any kind. So raise your voice just a little bit. I said, Yeoman, please asked him. And he said, Okay. That afternoon, we got a phone call back. He would like to meet us in tried to explain to him what we want because he didn't speak English. He thought we wanted to build a hospital. And I said, No, it's not a hospital. It's a sound healing centre. It's all about healing from within, through sound of vibration. And by building unbelievable pyramids. Now the the actual Bible, he's very familiar with pyramids because of features in their religion. So anyway, eventually he agreed and he said, Okay, market price. And we were astounded because normally, you know, when a Westerner goes to a local hero and wants to do something with them financially, they upped the price significantly. So that was our first indication that yes, we're gonna get a good run with this. So it took a while for the locals to accept what we're doing here. But we use a lot of them for the construction and the women for carrying all the rocks and breaking them. The men for building the walls, you know, the retaining walls everywhere and very soon we've have accepted. Just recently as I was talking about I had an operation everybody in the village knows about it. Because they go for a walk with the dogs in the morning. They all look at me they put it their tummy, they rub their hands on it and still suck it. Everything's good. Everything's okay now, yes, good. Oh, good.
Julia Malcolmson 15:24
village life.
Martin O'Toole 15:25
yeah, you're like the very unusual neighbours in the village because you have three pyramids
Julia Malcolmson 15:35
so what, what is Pyramids of Chi all about?
Peter McIntosh 15:40
As I just said, it's really about sound healing. When I got that message, I got told that we're building a sound healing centre. Seriously. I didn't know much about sound healing, but had a little sort of place down in Perth that we'd dabbled with we played with is more of a hobby centre than anything. But I kind of knew what was behind sound healing. And so I started to throw myself right into the whole sound healing scene, right to find out how it works, why it works. And then they came to me, why am I doing sound healing with permits, so I threw myself into the permit scene. And we really didn't fully fully appreciate it until such time as we put the gongs in the pyramids. And then we realised that there isn't it's coming off those gongs of the didgeridoos off the drums of singing bowls, bouncing off the walls of the pyramid, and back then onto our bodies, just how it worked. And that was that was the aha moment where we finally realised why Spirit wanted us to build pyramids, and then to instal sound healing instruments within them. Because it really is a phenomenon that even today, I still don't fully appreciate or understand. But although we're writing our book on The whole story at the moment, to be actually able to definitely confirm exactly what it is. It's another question. But what we do know is it works. And I've got a book full of stories, now called the healing stories. And often when people come out of the permit, I asked them, you know, anything really happened to you while you're in there?
Martin O'Toole 17:32
Well, I suppose what you're saying is that there's there's still a great deal of mystery around resonance and pyramids,
Peter McIntosh 17:40
It shore is I mean, what actually happens is these vibrations these frequencies, when we play them, you might be laying in front of the gong, or you could be laying on the outside of the, the area within the pyramid, and the sounds are bouncing off the walls and bear in mind, they're all facing inwards. Those sounds tend to work out through what we call our chakra centres. The chakra centres being the seven key energy centres within our body. And you mentioned at the beginning about the green lush fields. Well, you can see from the banner behind us here that the heart chakra is green. And so everything we do here we believe comes from the heart. And so as the sounds is frequencies and vibrations are striking the human body and they're working up through the chakras, they'll often perform what is known as a balancing chakra balancing. The Chinese kind of describe it like a, like a spinning top, like a like a CD that's spinning and, and it's not quite flat. It's like the old record that would get a bit of a warping. And so what happens is as these vibrations work through that chakra, that settles it down it rebalances and many people when they're suffering from something, emotional one is the biggest, but it could be mental, it could be physical. That's your chakra, that's the reaction. Other people call it pain. And so what it does, it settles it down and overcomes that imbalance. And by overcoming that imbalance, then people have a healing effect. Now some of it could be short lived, some of it could be forever. And if we had the time and I talked about my stories, you'd just be blown away by the feedback we get from people all over the world. And in fact, I was talking to the group you saw at the other table here a while ago. One of the ladies is from New York. She's a cancer surgeon. And I was telling her about the only real book that I've ever seen written by anybody in that field. A surgeon in New York where she's from had written on the power of sound healing Kenyon's his name. And here's a guy that deals with people suffering from cancer all the time. He got introduced to it by a patient that was a Buddhist that was playing a singing bowl while he's talking to him. So even oncologists, you know, and people who we tend to think of as you know, oh, let's just cut it out or burn it out or do whatever, and are starting to realise there are other alternatives.
Martin O'Toole 20:33
Yeah. Yeah, I think that's one thing I discovered when I first came to the Pyramids of Chi, which was probably about two and a half years ago, I knew nothing about resonance sealing whatsoever. And the first experience I had here, I think I might have actually come on a full moon. I think it was a fluke, which is a special night here anyway, because on a busy night, you have a you have 60 odd people in one pyramid, you have a well, everyone goes and does a really wonderful firepit ceremony first, and puts their intention into the fire, there's a connection at that point between 60 Odd total strangers from around the world, which I've done quite a few of those nights here. And so that's always a wonderful thing. And then everyone goes into the, into the pyramid and lies down, you got beds, you've got iron masks, and everyone lies down next to one another. Don't forget the blankets and their blankets, Jules, she always enjoys the blankets. Yeah, and then of course, you have the gong masters in the pit and the pit is this slightly sunken space, which is just, it's a smorgasbord of sound healing instruments. And and I had a transcendental experience. First time I came here, which I don't think I was fully expecting. And so I really dove deep into sound healing frequency and started to learn a lot more about it and learn about the the subatomic effects of resonance. And of course, at a subatomic level, we our vibration that way, if you go right past the water, and right past everything else, we are vibration, 100% vibration, and it and actually, and there's lots of physics to support this. It's just that I think so many, so few people are aware of it, perhaps because it's physics and you know, as complex and you know, we don't really kind of want to get involved with that. I don't know all because we're so we feel so safe with allopathic medicine, perhaps.
Peter McIntosh 22:34
Well, that's a conditioning. Yeah, it turn on the television is all about what medicine you should be taking, or what vaccination you should be having, or whatever. And the majority of the people in the world have been conditioned over the last 50 100 years to turn to their doctor for a solution. Now we're seeing a change, a big change, you know, and the forecast for a long time is gonna start happening. And so people are realising now that sound healing, many people are now experiencing the healing power of sound. And whether it's physical, and we've had lots of people have had physical reactions, the guy at that table I just talked about a moment ago, he said I was laying down he said, for the first 1015 minutes, all my hands and feet were tingling. I said, that's typical as a typical reaction, you know. And so so many people have had those physical reactions, which can go all the way through to almost out of body experiences, emotional, a big one. Many people break into tears, get quite emotional in there. And all are gone masters are all trained on how to look after somebody who is really having a big letting go of whatever it is that they've been holding on to for maybe years, in some cases, you know. And then of course, the other one is really a mental issue that is not from the hardest metal, people that are just so overwhelmed by the stresses of what's in their lives at the moment. Could be daily, it could be relationships, it could be survival, it could be anything. And once again, that crown chakra, the third eye chakra, you know, they just start balancing and people come out of there and their friends. We have a lady here one day that all her friends has turned to her and says what's happened to you? He said, How do you know? Let's have a look at your eyes. And her eyes are bright and clear and all the rest of it. Before she went in the friends were saying it was looked like she had cataracts, you know? So so many people can have the most amazing do healings and reactions from sound and acoustic pyramids themselves have their own special energy? That's why pyramids all over the world. And those are probably one of your questions, I'm probably jumping ahead here. Ahead, you go. All pyramids around the world are built to what we know of as sacred geometry. Right, the angle of the vase, they have one wall that's always aligned directly to North, right, not magnetic, but true north. And if you build them according to sacred geometry, and all three here exactly that way, even the frames we've got around the property are all aligned, then you can you don't have to have something as complex as what we've got, you can build one at a copper piping and sit inside it. And you'll still get the same reaction if you've got that alignment and the angle of the the actual size of the permit. And what we've discovered in time and time again, is that whoever built the permits, we don't know where everything is, suddenly will be on 10,000 years ago, whoever constructed and knew what they're doing. Because they're not just in Egypt or Mexico. They're on every continent or under every ocean. They you know, I've met people to swum down to the pyramids off the coast of Japan. You know, people have worked on excavating pyramids in Slovenia, yeah, yeah, that area there, you know, they just, people know that pyramids have special special powers. And whoever came up with the idea of building pyramids all over the globe knew what they're doing. Because you know, the God that align with a Ryan's belt, they got something so, so special. And although there's two types of pyramids, there's the ones which we see here, which has got the pointy at the top. And then there's the ones that you get in China and Central America that's got the flat top. They're all served for purpose. You know, history tries to tell us it's religion, and all sorts of things. I firmly believe, as the many, many people and well known writers, they're all about energy. All of it ends up in lots of photos taken of the energy rising from the pyramid at nighttime, particularly, you know, so that energy combined with the vibrations, the frequencies of the insurance. And of course, you've also got to add in the energy of the people in the pyramid as well. You put all that together, and magic happens.
Martin O'Toole 27:43
Yeah, I totally agree. And I don't know he's maybe when I when I was growing up. I'm 46. So in the 80s, I was educated, but I don't remember anybody. I didn't really pay attention at school, in fairness, and but my history teacher, Mr. Chinian, I shall never forget, used to call me monkey tool, and it's a jelly jelly monkey told jelly jelly come here. It needed to get me to the front of the class to tell me off because I was always the class clown and distracting everyone else. So perhaps he did tell me about this. And if you did, Mr. Chinian, I apologise. But all I remember is hearing about the Great Pyramid, Egypt and Mexico. But actually, as you just highlighted, Japan, Indonesia, Greece, Italy, Sudan, Cambodia, Peru, I think even Bosnia. But there are pyramids, or Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia, all around the world. And here's another interesting mystery that I still can't cotton. There are many mysteries surrounding the pyramids, which which Egyptologists cannot explain. But one of them is, as you've just identified that many of them are aligned to the Orion's Belt pattern. And actually across the globe, left to right, you have the I can never say this to a tee, where can Mexican pyramid then you've got the Great Pyramid. And then on the far side of the world, in China, you've got the Zeon pyramid, all three of those are aligned to the alliance belt format. But if you draw a line between them on the world map, that is also the Orion's Belt pattern. And of course, I suppose the obvious question is how 1000s And we're talking 1000s and 1000s of years ago, in different years in different countries. Did any was anybody aware of this? Was anybody communicating? Was anybody able to engineer such a thing with such precision because the precision of the positioning and the precision of the geometry of all of these pyramid structures, and of course, the construction techniques, which nobody can explain, is frankly, mind boggling. Isn't it?
Peter McIntosh 30:00
Well, the construction techniques is what really turned my key on. Because when you look at them, and you see, even to this day, we can't build pyramids the way they did, you know, we had do not have the technology, the expertise, the ability to build them, you know, the interlocking stones, and that's why pyramids don't collapse. Because the built was such incredibly interlocking construction that handles anything like that. And you look at the Great Pyramid of Giza on 13 acres of land. And the difference from the diagonal corners is something like about two centimetres in their head, they achieve that they couldn't do it today
Martin O'Toole 30:40
without a ruler.
Peter McIntosh 30:43
Exactly. And so, you know, when you add all those things together, and even Australia's Got a pyramid and gimpy, you know, I know, a guy that's explored a pyramid that you're not allowed to go to because it's the nighters believe it's a Haunted Hill, in Tonga, and one of the islands there, and this guy goes out there for his holidays and makes a point to go and dig around. He said, I'll scramble to get on a pull the undergrowth away, and there's the stones there. So how did a civilization or another dimension create identical pyramids globally? And now we've never we've got some very well known speakers and writers suggesting that there's pyramids on the moon as well. And Mars and Mars. Exactly. So, you know, obviously, there's a lot we don't know. And I love to believe that, yes, spirit comes in many forms. And maybe 1020 3040 50,000 years ago, there was another civilization that came here, created them for whatever reason. And, you know, we stand to benefit now, we still don't know the full reasoning behind them. And we probably never will in our lifetimes. But I've got a lot of time, we got a lot of them here. A lot of time for Russians. There are a lot of Russians here, there are the Russians are the only ones in the world that we know of that actually have turned the pyramid structure into a commercial venture. They build them over the top of right, oil fields, they put medicines into them, they type into Mr. Google Russian pyramids, and you just find unbelievable amount of content there. So they've recognised that it's, it's a scientific phenomenon, the actual shape of a pyramid as well. Yeah. So, you know, we add all these factors together, what have we got? Look at something is really, really different.
Martin O'Toole 32:50
Yeah, well, you have what we would call magic. But actually, what slowly but surely, scientists are managing to prove is science. Because ultimately, one thing that we can't deny about the pyramids is that they are absolutely based on geometry and maths. And what is maths? Well, maths is the language of the universe man did not invent mathematics man discovered it, man tripped over it. Mathematics is everywhere we look, it's in the flowers in the garden outside. It's in the raindrops is in the snowflakes. So my personal view is that the there is a good chance that the notwithstanding the fact that the pyramids were, I think, generators, or sorry, healing centres, I think there were resonant healing centres using the geometry. And, and they because they also use the four, the four principal harmonics don't know anything. So the sonic centres there was a chap called was he called Dan Tom Danly, who did some sound research and discovered, he recorded the resonance and various pitches, and he discovered some phenomenal things about the resonant frequency in the perimeter, but also that they were power generators. Now, I don't know if you've, I don't know if you've come across, you must have done because you've achieved but because Tesla was inspired by the pyramids, wasn't he?
Peter McIntosh 34:21
He was. Yeah. And one of the things that really excites us is that you just mentioned that they're about the power generation. When we were building the first pyramid, sorry, the second pyramid, the Pyramid of the Sun. We've completed it, and of course, it's a double skin so and it's next to water. So the idea was the air would move off the water between the two layers of the outer and inner walls and exhaust at the top through a special venting process. But our floors were hot now Hang on, hang on to the floors get hot because the sun's shining, but it's not going to heat up insides whatever. We went underneath the floor of the pyramids, and it was like a sauna down there. It was drawing the energy up from underneath us literally drawing it throwing the heater. And then, not long after we had the first of our leyline discovers here, and we've had three different people here that have all Spence, one one guy has been three mine it three months here, just tapping into the ley line. And they've all said exactly the same story, they didn't know each other, it's over spread out over a couple of years. We've all said this ley line starts in Antarctica comes up through Victoria, Uluru in in Central Australia, all the way to through here, right here, up through Mount Agung. And then, obviously heading off to Angkor Wat and eventually the Great Pyramid of Giza. When we know that we're on a very powerful ley line, I mean, there's ley lines everywhere.
Martin O'Toole 36:09
And it's probably worth explaining for the audience members that don't know what's a ley line.
Peter McIntosh 36:13
They ley lines are energy lines that run around the globe, they're not always in a straight line, they can be curved, they can be even zigzag in some cases, but they are physical, you can find them by using we find them using the divining rods, other people will find them through various methods from the pendulums, whatever. But these are lines of energy where, you know, sometimes you can walk onto it, you can feel it. And the number of people that have come here, like this, I could not even estimate the numbers have come here and discovered that they're on an energy centre here. Yeah, each one of the pyramids is built over an energy centre. In the centre of our main building there, the cafe there, we have our energy vortex where we've got that pillar with all the carvings on it. And now no one knew that was an energy 40 We didn't put out a rod or anything but the architect when he was designing the layout for the property, position, the cafe, which is a big building is 20 by 20 metres on the land, and the central pillar, as it turned out was discovered by a man in Hong Kong, with the pendulums and everything, who knows everything that you got to know about pyramids, he's an absolute wizard of a man. He said you got an energy centre, not an energy fortex right in the centre of your pyramid. Now how did that happen? Of course it happened.
Martin O'Toole 37:47
There's no such thing as a coincidence
Peter McIntosh 37:49
there isn't, is there. And so so these sorts of situations all come to the same realisation for us that everything happened for a reason. There is you're spot on nursing is coincidence. Everything happens for a reason. Our whole story here, how it came to happen, how we finance it, or how we found our Gong master this customer base, everything else like that has come to us because it's been meant to happen. Okay, we're still struggling over why for the last 21 months, numbers are so far down and what's going on around the planet, but you know, they laughingly call it on the internet, the big reset, I don't think they realise exactly what reset we're gonna get.
Martin O'Toole 38:39
It's a very good point, Peter. I think we probably know, I think we might. Well, the thing for me is, you had this, this vision and you you took a one heck of a leap. Let's face it. I mean, in terms of one of the deathbed regrets is I wish I'd had the courage to live my dreams and I don't think anybody could criticise you for being a fearful man. Having taken this leap that, but I think quite clearly what you've done is created something that people just naturally gravitate towards. And, and that's because it is a legitimate space of energy and healing. And I've I've been here countless times, and I've been I've done lots and lots of ceremonies here and I've every time had a wonderful experience and and also witnessed other people's wonderful experiences. And I've met some people I met total strangers here but I actually had a friend in London lady called Alice who owns a big store in on Carnaby Street in London. I met her here. During a stereo after a ceremony we were both with us sitting at either end of a table having the veggie courier full moon, both sort of you know, vibrating quietly, not even looking at one another anyway Yeah, I think we just sort of caught each other's eyes and just immediately started talking. And she was like, wow, I said, Yeah, it's pretty amazing, isn't it and then we got talking and then we actually we talked for so long we ended up then going into town had a meal, we down at zest, whether the hot chocolate we're talking about seven hours or something was like me amazing to meet you want to and that was it and never saw her again. She's, she's back in London still in touch with you. I think that's another thing that pyramids that she does is connect people,
Peter McIntosh 40:26
we really are about trying to connect people in so many different forms. And quite often does start with a reaction from what I've experienced, is just, you know, I've had people walk into the front door of the, of the reception centre there and break into tears. You know, I've had people coming away from the sessions at the fire pit, and just shaking their heads because they can't understand what just happened to them. And of course, so many people come out of the pyramids themselves, and a lot of them after speaking to one of the gong masters as directed towards me. Just ask questions or share stories or whatever. And for us having come out of retirement to do this, in so many people see people say, Oh, you're so brave to do this. I don't see bravery in any form here. I just see following my heart and realising every day goes by that we're on the right path. We have a new moon night two nights ago. And on the way home, I said to Lynne, are you in a high health?
Martin O'Toole 41:39
Retirement.
Peter McIntosh 41:40
And I said, so I might. And we always experienced that after a full moon or new moon night because everybody gets so pumped up. Yeah, that when we do go home, we can't sleep, we've got to have a cup of tea or something just to calm ourselves down. It's part of what is happening here. That is so so exciting, and something that we get very passionate about. So the beautiful thing is these instruments do speak to us as well. And they tell us a little bit like you're saying before about the if only and how much time we on this beautiful planet of ours. Listen to these messages that come with you laying down in a pyramid, where the listening to one of the beautiful sounds off the instruments, or whether you're just wandering around the you know, the beautiful grounds here and getting a message we get a tree down there that we call John's tree, right? This lady came here one day with two friends. She's from Canada from Vancouver. And they wandered all around the ground. And then about three hours later, they came up to me and I said Where's your friend? She's sitting down underneath that tree of yours down the bottom there. And so I went down to see if she was okay. And she was having her eyes out. And I said to you, okay, and she said my son's here. I said what do you mean? He said he got killed in a car accident. Last year. I got a big favour to ask if you can I leave some of his ashes at the base of the tree. I get overcome with emotion like I am now telling the story, the beautiful story, and she's beautiful big hug afterwards. Every now and then we'll exchange an email how? How's John's trail Syndra photo is twice the size when you came here. One day I was here. And we were going through what you're doing any business ups and downs in you know how much money have we got now? And how much do we need to finish this off or to buy that or whatever. And it was going through a tough time. So it was early in the morning seven o'clock Monday morning. So I thought I wandered down. I'll have a talk to John. And so I'm sitting on the chairs. I'm just sort of meditating with John. And he was a financial adviser in his life. No, yeah. Okay. A very successful and apparently, according to his mum. Anyway, so I said John, I can I might it's just gonna all work. This is very early in the day. So it's all gonna work. I mean, a couple of million dollars sitting here, you know? We got things we need to spend money on do this, do that and we need to get a courtesy family. But I haven't got the cash for that right now. And the message I got back was just look for the signs of what's a cop out. Thanks, John. Okay, thanks. John gave you a hug and the tree and water bags
Martin O'Toole 44:51
hoping for a cash flow forecast.
Peter McIntosh 44:55
Well the lotto numbers so anyway, I'm walking back up this path If and I kid you not, I kid you not, there's a fresh 50,000 rupee note, lying in the middle of the path, a sign that I could not have missed walking down there, nobody else on site, this is 730 in the morning, nobody else on site, I still got that 50,000 that I haven't taken under my monitor.
Martin O'Toole 45:23
I think one thing that keeps coming back to me in these podcasts in in quite a few episodes now is, is we are talking about energy. We are talking about energy more and more and and I think it's it's important that we that we just unpack that when we're talking about sound healing. And what we've been talking about here because I came from a former Catholic background in the West in the UK, and I was atheist, and I was agnostic, and I would never have considered myself spiritual, I would have never considered myself as anyone particularly convinced by the metaphysical, although I had had it throughout my whole life. A lot of metaphysical experiences experience interactions with dead people. And and other entities that can't even tell you whether or not they were dead or from another, another dimension. I don't know. But But still, I pushed all that away. And so whenever whenever we do these interviews, I often think, where our listeners, you know, what country they're in, what city are they in? Are they? Are they in a car? Are they in an office? Are they going What are you talking about? I know you've burnt your wounds, crazy people. And I suppose I'm talking to you right now, because I was one of those people. And but now, knowing what I know, and having experienced what I've experienced, I can tell you we are energy and physics professors will tell you that we are connected to a unified field. And it's what the Jedi is would call a force, right? So it makes perfect sense when you start to unpack the physics, if we are all energy we are we are connected to a unified field of energy. And, and our bodies at a subatomic level are also vibrating energy. It makes perfect sense to me that if you found the right frequency with a Tibetan singing bowl, or a crystal ball or a gong, and you got me in the right place with the right setting, and at exactly the right position, and then you hit me up with that frequency. Of course, it must be entirely likely that you're going to realign the vibration of parts of my body right
Peter McIntosh 47:38
now, I come from a business background. Since the 1970s I've always had my own businesses, fortunately 90% that were very successful, and I did very well out of it. When I got introduced to the whole concept of the pyramids in Bali and playing gongs. I thought spirit, I believe the spirit and gotten universe I thought now you get the wrong man here. He's not me. I'm not one of those flakes, you know, where the, you know, the weird outfits and have long hair? No, sorry, is not me. I've got short hair. I look like I belong in an office on St. George's terrace somewhere, you know. Anyway. So I had to really, really come to the I guess the awakening almost of what I've been conditioned to believe all my life, which was make more money. Yeah. Because that's your answer is not that. And I remember seeing the week beforehand, right? We beforehand, a guy walking, I was that a semi Nikka guy walking towards me. He had a t shirt on, said he he dies with the most toys wins. And I turned to Lynn, my wife and I said, What a load of crap. What's he gonna do take him with him? He can't, you know? And then it started to happen. And then, you know, the pyramids and everything else transpired. And the way we got the money is nothing short of doodle doodle, you know, miraculous work. Totally miraculous. And so you're talking about the fear of death. lunula have absolutely no fear of death. We were ready for you get that God, whatever. Whenever the time comes. We're ready. Right? Because we've my patient shows we've had a great life. I've had a fantastic we've done stuff that I've never talked about on a microphone. You might maybe you are about to I think I think I'd be hung drawn and quartered by my wall. Anyway, but we've left lead a full life. Yeah. I like some of those people you're talking about back in London, unlike show My family back in Australia. My oldest son is a pastor in the church. And I go head to head with him all the time. Because he tries to told me that, that if you don't believe that God in Jesus died on the cross to save you from your sins, you're not going to heaven. And I say to him, you will not come to Bali because you're scared of what you're going to see. No, no, no, no, no, no, I just believe that you're on the wrong track. As you know, you call yourself spiritual, spiritual is evil, said, Well, you will to come to Bali, some walked in any village, main road, and see them all out there putting their offerings in what the temple Stan is standing around, waiting for the moku to finish his ceremony as not once a week on Sunday morning, every day. Exactly. Dedication, total total dedication, and, and in real terms, you know, they're putting out offerings on that the cost of money, you know, that they haven't got so. And that doesn't make just the Balinese people special, in maybe going to heaven. There's many, many, many different cultures and religions and stuff around the world that all have faith. And to me, faith is more important than having a religion. And if you've got the faith, then when the time does come to pass over, nothing's gonna worry, you're not going to be scared, you're not gonna be worried my, my mother in law was, she was desperately hanging on to life, even at 95 She's still desperately hanging on to life, because she thought was gonna turn to dust. And I'm gonna turn to dust. You know, I sweep that up every day. Yeah. And so when you do have that faith, it's a beautiful thing to carry within. And so when the time comes, you know, that deep down I'm never gonna play the if only or please, God duck will always be something there like, I really wish I'd done. climb Mount Everest, might be. But yeah, there's always probably something
Martin O'Toole 52:10
another pyramid.
Peter McIntosh 52:13
Well, we're gonna have lots of pyramids all over the world is the grand plan happens. But sure, Ashley will always leave us some sort of void. But I think the worst thing in the well that I have ever heard is that, that horrible story about the man whose belief and we all have heard of them, is lying on his death, deathbed and said, If only I'd spent more time with the family,
Martin O'Toole 52:41
which is one of the top 10 Common deathbed regrets course.
Peter McIntosh 52:45
And so the joke is, how many people lie on the deathbed and said, If only I'd spent more time at the office? Come on, come on.
Martin O'Toole 52:55
I'm totally with you. But I think you in particular would be a classic example of someone who has had an awakening for one of a better word, had that realisation come out of retirement in your instance, and and then completely not only directed your attention and energy, and Lin as well to the service of others. And from where I'm sitting, to be in the service of others is is one of the most amazing things any of us can do.
Peter McIntosh 53:28
Well, I turned 74 In May, and a lot of people compliment me on you know, I don't look my age and that makes you feel really good. You're the pandemic but you never got a beat in my life.
Julia Malcolmson 53:41
You are both looking a little bit scruffy today. Are you? joking. I'm joking. You both looking very great. Thank you.
Peter McIntosh 53:50
It is the unlock the stage doesn't have to beard. But seriously, I have not regretted one minute of stepping out of what was a wonderful life. I mean, we retired we had a beautiful big travel rig in America, which was our dream and travelling all over the country. meeting lots of fabulous, fabulous people became long term friends. And then all of a sudden, uprooting everything and moving to Bali, because of a vision. But the blessings we get here are such that we feel blessed. Because we know that we're not just focused on having fun. We're not focused on what we used to be on how to make more money serving, have a bigger property or another BMW or whatever. And we're now focused on what we like to believe is our purpose in life and to help as many people as we can experience, some sort of change within it might be healing and might be emotional, it could be anything, but too many of us live a life Have running from pillar to post. And I think we all need to have that opportunity to realise that you might get it through meditation, you might get it walking on the beach and forest, whatever. Or you might come to the pyramids or chi and receive it, you know, when you're lying down there. But whatever we do, we need to listen to these inner messages, a script that sorry, bullshit that we get between the ears sometimes.
Julia Malcolmson 55:29
And you've definitely made that a little bit more accessible for people. Because I think the way the pyramids of chi become so well known, you get a lot of people, I believe, coming here that maybe haven't ever thought of coming to sound healing before, but they come to Bali on holiday, they hear about the pyramids of chi, very often a full moon ceremony. And for the first time, they get to experience this incredible resonance and the vibrations of the music, but the opportunity to just stop Yeah, lie down. And to go in with,
Martin O'Toole 56:01
I wonder if that's a first for quite a few people who come? It is?
Julia Malcolmson 56:05
No, I think it is. That's what I mean, I think it's, you've created that opportunity for people,
Peter McIntosh 56:11
I would say that probably 50% of the people that come here as a first. But of that other 50%. Some of them have been back dozens of times like yourself, come back because they get a fix the they enjoy the experience, maybe they're in need of that experience. Maybe things are just mounting up and just feeling like overwhelmed. This needs to just chill.
Martin O'Toole 56:37
I believe that part of my progress, my rapid healing progress was down to the the multidisciplinary prescription I accidentally gave myself so I was meditating, I was doing yoga, I was doing sound healing. I was doing a couple of other things. And it seemed to be it seemed that I had created this wonderful balance. From my perspective. We underestimate the the absolute power of consumption in general, as humans, we don't consider what we're putting in our mouths. We don't consider what we're putting what we're consuming with our eyes. We don't consider what we're consuming with our ears. And you might, you might think you actually have a quite a good mindfulness practice. But if you're listening to heavy metal, or thrash death, or whatever they call it these days, like my dad listened to a lot of Iron Maiden when I was a kid, then I would wager you're still out of balance compared to someone who is also considering what it is that they're consuming with their ears. And as we said already, in this episode, we are at our base, we are frequency. So if we are listening to something that's the wrong frequency, then we are we are maintaining misaligned energy centres. Perfect. Yeah. As opposed to Okay, I need to do some work on my energy centre in my head. Well, that's 432 hertz, there's a science behind this. I need to I need to do some work around opening my heart. Or of course, the organs around my heart. That's 528 hertz, again, science. So these are the things that people don't know about. They've just got no no clue about. And well, I hope that's part and parcel of why we're doing this episode because I'd love for this conversation just to at least open people's minds a little bit to to consider the importance of sound and resonance, and how it affects us. And of course, if you really do think about it, we all know how music or a sound sound of the birds sound of a singing bowl, or sound of a gong. How they can absolutely change our mood. And our Of course, our energy levels. It's no coincidence that we feel upbeat or we feel relaxed, or we feel down. You know, our energy levels are completely and utterly intrinsically linked with the frequencies that we're being exposed to. Sure.
Julia Malcolmson 59:07
And the great thing I think about coming to the sound dealings is you doesn't doesn't matter if you don't know whether it's my heart that needs a bit of adjustment or whether it's my Sacral Chakra, when you come into the sound healing, the different resonances, the different vibrations are going to resonate with you and what you need in that moment.
Martin O'Toole 59:25
Yeah. And of course with that in mind, everyone that comes here, gets what we would call in the UK like a full service. You know if your car or an MOT or an MOT they call it in in England, I don't know what they call it in Australia, because mot is my my initials as well. But and I suffer I have described coming to the perimeter of cheese as having a full service and mot of my chakras.
Peter McIntosh 59:55
I love that one. We have people coming back your time and again, like I said earlier I'm looking for that re recharge, clearing some emotional issues, getting rid of stress, whatever. And who knows what instrument it is, is actually clicking for them in the pyramid, it could be the energy of the whole place could be the energy of what's coming up from the floor could be the energy of the people in there, or just pure energy of pyramids themselves. What we have found is that we predominantly play at least half of the of any of our sessions with the gongs after the human voice, the gong is the most powerful instrument, it's got the widest range of frequencies and tones on the body and works right through it. Believe it or not, the didgeridoo is also up there with singing bowls. And now a lot of our Gong players are also very good singers or charting expertise, you know, and mixing all that together can create quite a recipe for healing. So different instruments have different responses and I guess that's what we're attuned to. I mean you you might have a bit of an affiliation with Iron Maiden me um country and Wesson yeah rock and roll but that's why I chose
Martin O'Toole 1:01:33
a country western now to my musical interests have followed the winds of change it's safe to say for anyone interested in finding out a little bit more about the perimeter CI obviously you can google it but also if you go on our website how to die happy podcast.com forward slash on dash that show you'll find a picture of the handsome Peter with his wonderful wife Lynn down there click on that and you can get on the Pyramids if Chi site. Well, all this talk of sound healing instruments is made me want to go into a pyramid and check them out. So should we do that?
Peter McIntosh 1:02:10
Let's go and do that. Yeah,
Julia Malcolmson 1:02:11
yes please
Peter McIntosh 1:02:12
Thanks guys
Martin O'Toole 1:02:29
so here we are. Jules and I were in the sun pyramid. And to give you an idea, well, we're in a pyramid. And it's, it's dark and sort of well lit in a kind of cool way. There are beds all over the floor. There are instruments everywhere. But in the centre of the pyramid is the pet, which has three large Gong frames for large Gong frames and all the indigenous instruments you could possibly fantasise about. And standing in the in the gong pit is Jordan, who is a gong master at pyramids of chi. So we're gonna have a quick chat with Jordan.
Julia Malcolmson 1:03:13
Okay, Jordan,
Jordon 1:03:14
Hello,
Julia Malcolmson 1:03:15
how does sound healing work?
1:03:18
So the way that I have come to understand it from learning from my uncle, David Rotherham, it's a combination of activating the body's own natural processes. So you've got certain instruments like the gong, the Didge, make infrasonic and ultrasonic sounds, these can stimulate the body's own latent abilities, you know, simple functions like osteogenesis organ function, these kinds of things are supported by it. But they another huge part of it does kind of sit in that world of transpersonal psychology, where, by entering, lowered brainwave states and the theta, the Delta State, kind of entering into the, you know, the subconscious of the dream world, you can really achieve a lot of powerful work from there, you know, there's elements of emotion from previous existing experiences that get stuck in their old memories or things like that. And my understanding is that a lot of the, the sicknesses that we do find a lot of them can be addressed through addressing the emotions behind it, the thoughts, the feelings, what's trapped in the body, as well as in the back of the mind. So yeah, by bringing into that lowered altered state, we can declutter that inside world that that gunk that gets all built up in there, you know,
Martin O'Toole 1:04:46
that's a good way of putting it decluttering Yeah, it's shifting energies. And it's in as you say, you get you. When we're in a certain state, we're in theta for example, then we switch off ego, and enable ourselves to do things that we couldn't ordinarily do when when ego is in control. So then we can start to work on shifting our unblocking energy.
Jordon 1:05:13
Yeah, you know, by getting the active conscious, thinky, thinky part of the brain out of the way so that the deeper us that that, you know, in my in my opinion, the more true us can do what it needs to do without us getting in the way of it. Sure. So it's a lot of surrender and trust, you know? Yeah, that
Martin O'Toole 1:05:32
makes sense. So how did you discover sound healing, and what made you want to become a sound healer.
Jordon 1:05:39
So I didn't particularly want to do it, I just sort of it just sort of happened. Going through a process of some real real dark, dark mental health days transitioning from military lifestyle where, you know, I'm just not the kind of person suited for it. I kind of tend to drink. But then I met a friend who introduced me to some organic kind of approaches to altered states. And then that kind of shifted my line of thinking to be open to meeting my uncle. Yeah, he, at the time, was the boyfriend of a friend of mine. And he asked me your Has anyone ever played the dig into your chest? And I said, No. I mean, I'm familiar with the instrument, but never had that kind of experience with it. So it got me to hold the Digi about yay, maybe like an inch or inch and a half from my chest. And he just unloaded into into my chest, at the sensation was like every cell being pulled apart and put back together in the most incredible way. Didn't really know what it was about. It just went, I want that. And then I don't really haven't really made things happen. Coming here wasn't a choice. As far as going, I want to go to Bali, it was saying yes to a dude who needed me to come in, wanted someone to do sessions. But yeah, it's sort of I love it. It's like playing it's like dancing with with friends. And it's seems to really helpful other people as well, which is beautiful.
Julia Malcolmson 1:07:25
What is your go to healing instrument? What resonates with you the most.
Jordon 1:07:30
So for me, that's definitely I'm going to say the ditch. So the didgeridoo, the duckie or the brew day on Monday, as the people in my part of Australia call it the combo marry people followed very closely by by drum and voice. The these three instruments, in my opinion, some of the most powerful, but I'm really learning to appreciate the guns, the bowls, and these, this whole other spectrum of experience.
Julia Malcolmson 1:08:01
I suppose the drum really kind of taps into our innate kind of bodily wisdom.
Jordon 1:08:09
Yeah, no matter who you are your ancestor at some point in time use it for ceremony for ritual, it's every human being on this planet has had an ancestor that has played the drum
Martin O'Toole 1:08:21
and the body remembers, I suppose. So you have a lot of instruments here, what different kind of sound healing sessions are there.
Jordon 1:08:32
So it definitely comes down to the facilitator different people have different lineages and backgrounds with this, to give an idea of like the standard session that I will do it said distinct fusion of moving through the the metallic and the etheric van coming back through the Earth, the deep down. So you know, I would personally normally start either with a little bit of heartbeat drum just to bring everyone into the space, it's easy to keep a cadence on breath, then move to the metallic using the bowls, the gong was these kinds of things that largess up before coming back down with the earthy, the things that pull us into this beautiful mother planet, you know,
Martin O'Toole 1:09:21
nice and then. So do you tend to find that you're kind of roughing it a little bit with depending on who you're working with.
Jordon 1:09:30
I like to think myself a man of half in the scientific and half in what my father would call the woowoo. But a big part of that tends to fall into what I don't really have, like Rational words to describe. There's a default flow that I will work with. But if there's a little voice that whispers in my left ear, do this, it doesn't matter what else I'm doing. That's what I do. If that little voice chimes in and goes this for the damage for the drum and specific quickly for a song that goes with the drum, that's definitely a much more dynamic thing because one rhythm doesn't work for everyone. One person has something going on completely different to another. So the less thinking about it, and the more allowing, the better it is for people
Martin O'Toole 1:10:17
to feel it. It's intuition.
Jordon 1:10:19
Yeah, yeah, it's the whatever flow flows. Yeah, I personally have been thinking that that voice is is No, what I would go great spirit. But you know, I'm not gonna say what it is or isn't that my my understanding of it,
Martin O'Toole 1:10:34
as you say, surrender to the flow.
Julia Malcolmson 1:10:38
Okay, Jordan, could you take us through some of the instruments in the pit.
Jordon 1:10:42
So what I might do is I might actually go through the order that I would personally use them feeling something saying to go otherwise. Okay, great. So, general rule, it would probably personally start with the Tibetan singing bowls, the Tibetan bowls tend to fall into two styles of play, you've got more or less tapping, so you get that the bowls as a general rule, most people will actually know them more from the rubbing style, which tends to give you a.
Martin O'Toole 1:11:48
Singing bowls come in different sizes, of course and the different notes right
Jordon 1:11:51
here. So the ones we have here we have the seven separate terms, these are aligned with the chakras, I believe that
Martin O'Toole 1:12:05
now that makes perfect sense.
Jordon 1:12:06
There is a another one here that is still a pitch higher, but that tends to be used, I've noticed people who use it will use it to a company mantra or to a company vocal, it's much more sensitive. And then I'm a staunch believer that the replication of the natural world is a very powerful form of bringing into alignment. So I would generally start with bringing in the soft sound of the rain stick
1:12:43
Jordon 1:12:46
because this tends to bring a very refreshing washing kind of sensation and that would be coupled with a thunder box which is a funny thing that is easy to play badly but these things are great. Which I will generally build up to an actual thunder a lightning strike and the didge would be the next thing but I would actually do windy damage while the rain and the thunder are happening because if you play the ditch starting with just your breath no vibration you get you can eventually lead it to the actual drone in the actual rhythm.
Martin O'Toole 1:14:49
Wow I felt that.
Jordon 1:14:53
From here I would sometimes weave it with a drum which is a little it'll be a difficult to do if it is just myself in this space I would kind of wave through this big power drum you can you can see here that no one else can really see at the moment but that kind of gives a real pumping into the floor really starts to stir all people in this space
Martin O'Toole 1:15:19
let's play it
Jordon 1:15:29
and with this we can actually move through the space going to individual people and follow the rhythm that needs to come through for them
1:15:41
Jordon 1:16:18
and this style of singing is very dynamic is very dynamic it alters its you feel when it's the wrong song for the wrong person and you feel when it's the right the right one and the beautiful thing is on our side you can see it as well if you're really properly being present with the person receiving you can watch their face shift as they go through whatever it is that they're processing this is almost as active as we are in the space. So drum and rattle and voice would eventually fade out there'd be some time of silence because sound is awesome silence with sound is even better. Who would normally come back in with the kind of the bird sounds which is just a feather duster I love it household cleaning supplies for cleaning this space
Martin O'Toole 1:17:23
ancient indigenous it's great instrument
Jordon 1:17:27
we would come to flute and then after flute would be actual guy to come back feel the body but the flute that I personally use is a Native American flute it's my I understand it as they love flute I don't know if that's actually what it's called but that's what I was told it is cool that it's like So this is one of the things that the co-facilitators grabbed and I never actually think to do but they will grab it. It's the koshi chime. It's a beautiful style of windchime that.
Martin O'Toole 1:19:15
Thank you Jordan,
Julia Malcolmson 1:19:17
the Koshi chimes they have to be one of my favourites. I always get this image of lying under a tree. Just watching the leaves move in the breeze.
Martin O'Toole 1:19:26
They are truly magical. It's worth pointing out that there are significantly more instruments around the pit including several gongs and more singing bowls, but obviously, as much as we would have loved to just sit around listening to Jordan playing these things all day. It might not be quite as interesting for our listeners.
Julia Malcolmson 1:19:47
Did you have a favourite out of that selection that Jordan played?
Martin O'Toole 1:19:50
Well, I as much as he admittedly didn't actually play all that well. Sorry, Jordan. My favourites are the singing bowls. The Singing Bowls always Do something for me.
Julia Malcolmson 1:20:01
Yeah, they're very ethereal. They always make me drift off, come out of my body and my body starts to disappear.
Martin O'Toole 1:20:08
Yeah, absolutely. But in fairness to Jordan, when he demonstrated that, traditionally you would obviously continue to rub the ball, whereas he did a super fast demonstration. So it singing bowls for me. I love the crusher, James. Yeah. And, yeah, I think the gong does something. It certainly does something for me. Yeah. The didgeridoo though, man. Wow, I'm looking forward to watching the effect that the didgeridoo has on you.
Julia Malcolmson 1:20:35
Yeah, I've not had a lot of work with the didgeridoo. And it's a very, very deep sound very deep resonance it
Martin O'Toole 1:20:42
is. So next we're just going to spend a couple of minutes with you lying on one of these beds. And Jordan is going to do a highly immersive sound healing session for you. Traditionally, of course, it would be an hour but we're going to condense it to a couple of minutes. So are you ready for your sound healing Jules?
Julia Malcolmson 1:21:05
I am very ready you don't have to ask me twice the lie down for sound healing.
Martin O'Toole 1:21:09
Alrighty then. Well for those of you listening at home might I suggest you take a moment to really immerse yourself in this so if you can put some headphones on by down breathe, listen to it or get yourself close to your speakers. Let's do this
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Martin O'Toole 1:28:42
So Jules, how was that?
Julia Malcolmson 1:28:45
Bliss full. Yeah, I feel like I've just had a very, very quick I've never had such a quick soundhealing, but I've also never had one so intensely just with myself like a private session. It's almost feels like I had a recalibration, you know, like, just complete reset through my system.
Martin O'Toole 1:29:07
Nice. And I think that's the intention, isn't it? Yeah.
Julia Malcolmson 1:29:11
Yeah. I mean, it's very powerful. The didgeridoo was very deep. It's a very well, it moves throughout my whole body. But for me, it was very, very strong in my stomach.
Martin O'Toole 1:29:24
I watched him work and he was essentially working directly over you. So these playing the instruments directly at you.
Julia Malcolmson 1:29:33
Yes, I could feel the vibrations running the whole way through my body in a in a really nice sequence.
Martin O'Toole 1:29:40
So obviously, for the purposes of the podcast, we we made that quite a short session. I think it was only a few minutes, wasn't it? But the idea is ordinarily you do this for 30/45 to an hour, I think, is that right? Yeah, but
Julia Malcolmson 1:29:54
I think even even three minutes, I mean, it's intense. So you're still you're getting quite a lot of healing power throght that
Martin O'Toole 1:30:00
So imagine that in an hour. Yeah. For me,
Julia Malcolmson 1:30:05
it was very reminiscent of sitting in ceremony with a plant plant medicine. And that kind of moment, the didge kind of recreates the sound that I often feel I can hear, as I'm starting to kind of drift away with the plant medicine, you know, this kind of bridge between this dimension and perhaps another dimension?
Martin O'Toole 1:30:28
Magical. Yeah.
Julia Malcolmson 1:30:31
Thank you, Jordan, that was really special.
Jordon 1:30:35
It was to short is my opinion. But, you know, it's, it's a pleasure to have you in this space and to have you allow for, for me to do this work with you.
Martin O'Toole 1:30:49
So when you're doing a sound healing session, Jordan, regardless of whether or not it's for one person or a group, you, I watched you, then you and you were really connected. You know, you you, you were doing exactly as you highlighted earlier on your intuiting. So what are you doing when you're when you're doing this, how much of it is about practical management of instruments and how much of it is just flow.
Jordon 1:31:19
It's funny, I'm going through the process at the moment of running one of our CO facilitators through the process of learning how to do this, and I keep telling her that the instruments themselves are in the a very small part of the work, you only really need to understand, don't put this one on its face, or, or do put this on its face. But the actual physical engagement with the instruments is only very small, once you know how to do it, you kind of let it flow the way it wants to flow, you know, and you would have seen that there were moments where the the rhythm of the drum and of the ditch shift, my approach is if I have to try, I'm doing it wrong. It just sort of flows through the way it does. There, obviously, there are things that I will always fall back on, if I've got nothing else if like, I've got rhythms, and I've got songs that I will fall back on, if nothing is kind of coming through. But a lot of it. It's, I'd say 20% Physical management of instruments. And then from the rest, I would say it's about 40% listening 40% feeling.
Martin O'Toole 1:32:33
Well, you vibed.
Julia Malcolmson 1:32:35
Yeah, I was thinking actually, I imagine when you've got a room full of people, you're dealing with so many different energies,
Jordon 1:32:42
one of the biggest things that I've been learning lately, I'm very blessed to have kind of come into play. So finding something that at least for now, until I'm proven otherwise does feel very much like it's my goal. But as I've come through a period of my wife's going at the Saturn Return, I think the 30s I'm starting to learn about the responsibility that goes with this, because for me, this is fun, this is play but also from an energetic perspective. You know, I, I have my home, I have my my family that I need to leave this here and that they're so when it's small groups, you know, between five and 15, I can take the time with each individual person. But then at the end of the session, I tend to burn purifying smoke for myself, I tend to go out and put my feet on the earth. If it's raining even better. I go out and let that wash over. And then when I go home, I scrub with salt.
Martin O'Toole 1:33:41
Yeah, makes sense. Energetic cleanse, you have a view. 70 people in here of all walks of life and from different different stages of development. You will have a absolutely Trump's mash of energy in here I would imagine.
Julia Malcolmson 1:34:00
Definitely need some salt,
Martin O'Toole 1:34:02
and a smudge. Yeah. Well, thank you so much for your time and energy today. We I for one have thoroughly enjoyed listening to you during the demonstrations and listen to you speak about something that you're quite clearly very passionate and naturally called to. So thank you so much, Jordan,
Julia Malcolmson 1:34:19
thank you so much. That was really, really wonderful.
Jordon 1:34:22
Thank you
