SUMMARY KEYWORDS
people, music, medicine, sound, technology, plant, ayahuasca, ceremony, downloading, roman, pyramid, songs, bali, creating, life, frequency, hear, healing, pyramids, beautiful
SPEAKERS
Tiano Bless, Martin O'Toole, Andres Espinoza Arellano, Roman Nebo, Julia Malcolmson
Martin O'Toole 00:26
Well, I am very excited, Julia.
Julia Malcolmson 00:29
Yeah. Why are you so excited?
Martin O'Toole 00:31
Well, because I've got three of my favourite people on the planet and on our podcast.
Julia Malcolmson 00:35
Yeah, we are very lucky to have you here with us today. Thank you.
Martin O'Toole 00:39
Yeah. So for. For those people who haven't ever heard the podcast before, you might have heard me talk about Andreas. So this is Andres. Hello, Andres.
Andres Espinoza Arellano 00:50
Hello.
Martin O'Toole 00:53
And you've also brought two friends with you. So we have tiano Hello, Tiana.
Tiano Bless 00:58
Yes. vindicia neighs. Hello, family.
Martin O'Toole 01:01
And we have a Roman
Roman Nebo 01:02
hey everybody.
Martin O'Toole 01:04
Well, I, how on earth do we begin this conversation? It's I think it's difficult enough to have a conversation about one incredible person. But we have three phenomenal creators, healers, innovators in people who are trying to change the world. And that's why it was absolutely brilliant. When you were you decided you were coming to Bali. And we and we knew we were gonna get you on the podcast, sir. Thank you. Thanks for Thanks for taking the time to come and see us.
Tiano Bless 01:35
Thank you so much.
Martin O'Toole 01:36
So I suppose the way to introduce this conversation is to talk about how I know Andreas and then Andres can talk about this motley crew of creators that he's brought with him. So we've talked about undress a couple of times on the show before, but for those of you never heard it, and dress is a plant medicine Charmin and you're my brother.
Andres Espinoza Arellano 01:58
Yes. I am
Martin O'Toole 02:00
And I've had the pleasure of sitting in ceremony with you. 9-10 times, something like that.
Andres Espinoza Arellano 02:07
Something like that my brother
Martin O'Toole 02:10
Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, no, he's done. He's worked with it a lot more than I have.
Andres Espinoza Arellano 02:15
I think I've had the pleasure of sitting in ceremony with you twice. Yes.
Julia Malcolmson 02:18
Yes. And as before I met you.
Martin O'Toole 02:20
Yes.
Julia Malcolmson 02:21
We know you independently, which is very good.
Andres Espinoza Arellano 02:23
I remember exactly everything. Yeah, how it made you guys and yeah, of course, the beginning of our journey together in this life. Yeah, man, it's been an honour to share with you, you know, and always, like, receive also so you beautiful energies, you know, your beautiful wishes, always. You're such a good humour my brother since we met, you know, and I honour that and I love it. Because, yeah, during my work, especially, you know, I love to work, like, in a process of healing with a good humour, you know, what I mean is like, because we are usually healing things about the past, you know, so, the past is already done, you know, in certain way so respecting, of course, the all the processes of the people, what they were leaving in the lives who are they're leaving in the present moment, but when we enter in these spaces to healing, you know, we can really find ourselves in and heal ourselves with happiness to so we can, it's like cry, no, we can cry for sadness, or we can cry for happiness, also, you know, that in the feelings of the people, you know, exist, all these this duality, you know, because there's some people who is having like, a hard time, but they are still laughing, you know, that's beautiful, you know, it's the strength is the human inner strength there we have, you know, because of all the divinity that we have inside and all the nature that we have inside. So we can pass through processes, like wild processes, like very mellow processes, you know, and we can always like, have a good humour to do our personnel job, you know, no matter what, we can always build a new life for ourselves, you know, and leave behind, you know, the old traumas and integrate them in such a deep way that they cannot chase you anymore and control you anymore, you know?
Martin O'Toole 04:27
Well, likewise, because you and I have similar senses of humour. I think though we so we always amuse each other, and those around us and I know we've we've sat in, in medicine ceremonies, I remember a ceremony not that long ago. Obviously it wasn't in barley because we don't do plant medicine in barley where I was like, toward the end of my journey was like in the middle of like, just as the sun was coming up and and they heard you standing over me and you said, hey, my bro you are so handsome And I opened my eyes and said, I know you're handsome. And you're this beautiful big head dress on and you just said, Yes, I am. And then that was your work done. I'm laying there going. And then everyone else around me starts laughing. Eventually they're kind of working, wondering what was going on, you know? And then off you went to the next person to Spread the Love. So I'm with you, brother, you know, we have a good, we've had good times. And we've had some incredible adventures. We went to the Amazon together didn't we have to in Peru, and we met your teacher plays a piano and we hung out with the NACA Cohen tribe. And we did a whole episode on that. And there's there's a recording of you talking, translating what piano and when Jr. was saying, so if anybody's interested, please check that episode out. I think it's called Ayahuasca changed my life or something like that. So please do check it out. So well, how do we so because I want to talk about Ayahuasca, I want to talk about plant medicine, because as you know, I'm a huge ambassador of it. And it's, it's, I've taken it upon myself, I guess you could say it's a calling as a result of doing the work with the medicine, too, to do my part, to try and explain to people what it is not, and what it is. And, you know, you may or may not know my story, I'm a recovered addict, and a recovering alcoholic. And a lot of people who perhaps don't know enough about these things, immediately said to me, when I started working with psychedelics and talking about psychedelics, they said, Well, how, how is it that you were a drug addict, but now you're doing more drugs, but you say that you're not a drug addict anymore. So I was very, so I'm very keen to have this conversation with you, I think it's probably a nice place to start to talk about Ayahuasca, and what it is and what it is not. Because in my opinion, it is not a drug, in my opinion, it's a medicine discuss.
Andres Espinoza Arellano 07:04
So, what I think about that, you know, if we talk from, from the espiritual vision, you know, if we talk about Ayahuasca and plan marry scenes, you know, we're gonna say that they are made, it makes sense, of course, you know, says that's the word that we usually use for, for these plans, no, and all these techniques to, and when we, if we talk from the, from the scientist vision, we're gonna call them drugs. Also, you know, because these plants, they also have an effect on you, they also have an effect on you. And this can be a physical, you know, this can be a mental this can be also spiritual, or in the levels of subconsciousness to a hassle, you are literally under the influence of a plant. No, so for the scientists vision, of course, it's going to be abrupt. So what I do in my personnel in my personal life is just respect the different concepts, you know, the the people cuts, in respecting also every process how I said before, you know, so there are some people who they come to, to do this work with the plants and they think they are drugs, you know, big ones that they tried, and they are in this space, there is just your own space. The HA, is your personal life, coming through your visions? Uh huh. And so, the people just realise that this is not the kind of drug where the people always think, because human beings we work a lot with the stereotypes about our medicines or drugs or, or who is beautiful, who is not, you know, we work with a stereotype that people think there's something beautiful is because has a beautiful shape, you know, but not always is like that. So, sometimes, the people Jesse is talking from the visions about something, so we need just need to respect what they say, you know, and also, who is going to come to do these plans and everything is part of the synchronicity of life, you know, because we don't do we don't do publicity thing with the with a plant and nothing because you cannot find that work in, in YouTube or, you know, we are not offering our things through the social medias and nothing so it's just like a divine call for everyone, you know, and it's just the friend of the friend who really believes in these, you know, and is coming to our circles, especially, you know, this is how work actually, that's one of the beautiful things about it, isn't it and
Martin O'Toole 09:59
and also the synchronicities and the people who know one another. Because because that's how we met, wasn't it?
Julia Malcolmson 10:05
Yeah. And then you, you become a worldwide family. And it's beautiful, because there's so many connections now, you know, I have people all around the world that have worked with you. And then through that, then other friends and we all just, it's beautiful. It's like a big family.
Andres Espinoza Arellano 10:18
Yes, exactly. It's a big farming,
Martin O'Toole 10:20
it's getting bigger.
Andres Espinoza Arellano 10:22
Well, I was doing this work, like, in a professional way for at least 12 or 13 years, almost, no, and I went to many tribes and many groups, you know, and some, some people, some people have these groups, they stay, you know, for, for a long time, you know, sharing this space is like, I don't know how many times per year, sometimes very often, to some, with some other of them with some other people, we just work all the time together like with, with my, with my brothers. Now, with the Romain, especially, we already were like, in three or four continents, you know, because we follow each other, you know, because we are also downloading information through the process of exploring now, you know, because the process of integration of our traumas, takes some time, you know, but after start to become an exploration of this, and this is coming with a lot of different vibrations, sounds, thoughts, you know, so we are actually downloading beautiful music, you know, and now, with all these loadings that we had with Roman, you know, like a big artist, like piano blast is coming to the war with us, you know, and share this beautiful space, you know, and, and just increase the beauty the, we are rising in the moment that we are working, you know, it's like a beautiful fusion, a house of magic and talent, and energy and healing. Her exploring, and, yeah,
Martin O'Toole 12:05
so, yeah, just want to touch on that a little bit. So could you for the audience, can you explain a little bit when you say downloading?
Andres Espinoza Arellano 12:14
Yeah, downloading, downloading information is the capacity that we have, as human beings, you know, so if we see computers, computers, telephones, so to download an app, you know, you need to choose it. And this is, will be don't log in after you can use it. Basically, when I talk about downloading information is when you activate your brain, in certain parts. Uh huh. So through every single plant medicine that you're using, has different activation in there. So from that activation, you can open a file in there inside of your brain. Uh huh, is what we call the consciousness sometimes. Uh huh. There, we can also call it like, literally, so there's fine our brain is a hard drive full of information. Not only the information that we have, in this present moment, is also information about our lineage is also information about our new generations, that is part of the same thing. So this is like very personal stuff, but there's also a universal library of knowledge and wisdom that is a byte level inside of us. You know, so that is how it works. Every single person in this world. So everything that you are learning is or downloading, that you are having through an activation for something that you are prepared to that. So everybody has their own talent, everybody has their own gift. So when you find people who resonate with that, you know, you can literally open in such a high level that you can download as an artist, new sounds, you know, new melodies, new lyrics with the medicine
Martin O'Toole 14:10
with the medicine,
Andres Espinoza Arellano 14:11
yeah, all the music that we beat already is through the medicines,
Martin O'Toole 14:16
So what do you say it's, I suppose, the medicine provides a little nugget of inspiration and then you work together to collaborate to build it or do you just download the entire melody? The lyrics the whole thing and go wow, thank you, I Raska and then what's the process? How does that work?
Andres Espinoza Arellano 14:36
So this this process all depends which one we are using, we already beat music with different plans. Now we have music from the Ayahuasca we have nothing from the mushrooms. We have music also from the cactus Wachuma. So how that work every single one has had an activation or different activation, you know? And you never expect something you cannot even prepare something to that is like you cannot make an script you can, you cannot go in and try to do something like force yourself push yourself to do something is something that is just coming through the moments and ingest just born in their, you know is that is how they work? Because you have a few possibilities, few ways. How do you want to work with the medicines, you know, you can go to the medicines with setting intentions and trying to control the situation, or trying to control what you want that the medicine give you. Or you can also go and just be surrender, because that plant, it's a plant, there was already billions and billions years also evolving. Uh huh. And knows the story about your whole lineage. So you can be surrendered. And when you are like that, and you are totally trustful about the, what you're doing, you know, comes the gifts, this is how they this is how they, they all Chairman's, they do that is because they know they know so much about it, you know, because they were exploring for many, many, many years. So, as more you develop with this, more you realise that is not a drug is just a tool is not the truth about life to her, because, also the people, the shamans and the people who is in, in the villages, and in these environments, they also are human beings, and they are having their lives to in, in, in the normal state of consciousness that is their fifth dimension, right? So they just connect sometimes, and they go and they download the songs from there. So every single song that you can hear, in ceremony of Ayahuasca example, you know, it's gonna be something that comes from the dimensions of these plants from that activation that I was telling you in your brain, you know, so this is how we work with the example of the mentors, you know, that that is what I transmit to my people, you know, always like always, like, honour, honour the people who goes in there ready? Do loving all this information and thanks to them, that is because we are here. We are nothing without that masters. Uh huh. And of course, my recommendation for every every everyone always respect your masters always respect the people who knows more about more than you don't try to be your own master to do something new. Because you don't know so much about respected teachers as well and exhaustively.
Martin O'Toole 17:43
Another name for these plants is Teacher plants. Yes, bluntly. I totally. I totally. I'll double down on what you said because I've, I've received an entire idea for a book, an entire idea for a documentary from doing an Ayahuasca journey. And I received some great lines for my present book. When I last did Ayahuasca which is not too long ago, but not in this country as I said, so. Okay, right. Thanks for that. And dress. So, who's Tiana then?
18:18
So the NOS maxima represent Tempe reggae music he
Martin O'Toole 18:26
as he's an amazing producer, he is an amazing singer. He's gifted man. Yeah, with many talents and he's a painter. You know he's one of the best artists in my country. Everybody knows the blessing chilies his meal see his beautiful productions with not only as the Tiano Bless also with the different bands so my brother can tell you more about him Yeah, we view guys the Tiano Bless just gonna second man I mean I've I've I've had the fortune of hearing you sing actually with medicine as well and man alive people this guy's got the voice of an angel. It How do I explain it the frequency of Tiana is voice literally integrates with everything that you are and takes you on this beautiful ride on the oceans of love.
Julia Malcolmson 19:21
We're going to hear it the guests gonna get to listen. Oh, yeah, it's
Martin O'Toole 19:24
a good point that you brought so you brought some instruments when you didn't yourself because we Yes. So we're gonna hear some singing at some point So welcome Tiano. Is this your first time in Bali?
Tiano Bless 19:36
Actually is my second time here. But my first time was playing Valleyfair Valley spirit festival was amazing with that Cordova, Canada ban. Yeah. But now we're here creating a whole album so it's way different because we are getting all the inspiration and all the music is coming just from here from this jungle. So it's such an amazing experience here yeah
Martin O'Toole 20:04
I we've said this several times on the show I think barley is I've been all over the world you've obviously been all over the world barley you've now been all over the world for barley has something and I'm not convinced there is another place on the planet that has that sweet spot mix of energies and devotion and spirituality that Valley has and I think it's the land I think it's where we are geographically but I also think it's all of the prayers and the process and devotion that comes from the the Balinese Hindu people every day the love that they put into everything that they do and I don't know about you, but I just feel that I feel that in Yeah,
Julia Malcolmson 20:45
it's a portal it's like an activation portal. Like you can't hide from anything here. Everything comes to the surface and you've either got to deal with it or it's just gonna keep coming back up until you till you do something
Martin O'Toole 20:57
nice.
Tiano Bless 20:58
Yes and for us as musician is one of the best places to make music and to download link then the songs hell come my friend was telling you is like we try to don't put so much mine on it don't put out music and egos in all the things that sometimes block the music process creation but now we are just flowing like a big river it'll just like the weather tempers full of inspiration. And we fly in we just flying through the music trying to also transform the energy because we are not only singing from from our health it's all the health thing through to us.
Martin O'Toole 21:40
Nice at this point I should say I should apologise to all the listeners but you can hear it and muda barking away as per usual there on the podcast yet again. So they're just got older and louder
Julia Malcolmson 21:52
Yeah, they're not used to this many people they got a new energy for them. But yeah, they're very loud.
Martin O'Toole 21:58
It
21:59
muda bit
Andres Espinoza Arellano 22:01
Its usually what dogs do
Julia Malcolmson 22:03
I know being dogs
Andres Espinoza Arellano 22:07
production still respect that I respect.
Martin O'Toole 22:10
Respect that truth.
Julia Malcolmson 22:12
Also just like to get their voice into the light to be on every podcast.
Martin O'Toole 22:18
Anyway, so thank you Tiana, Roman. So how did Roman get involved with this with this magic trio of people have Musketeers?
Andres Espinoza Arellano 22:34
So Well, I think a ramen ramen is a is a part of those dough Lovings that we're talking about, you know, because I always say to Roman the I think you are a projection of my deepest dreams, you know, the worst, like, enter in the world of music in this way, like to recording and everything because, you know, I was doing music almost all my life, you know, and one of my gift is the voice and how I sing you know, is what the people love, you know, and, and thank you so much to all my people who love that, you know, I do on my heart. So, you know, I was in many, many places, doing music and people was inviting me to record everything and I never was like, going into that space. And you know, and, and finally the pandemic came, you know, because before pandemic, I I didn't even have time to do it. I was so busy. All tours all around the world working with different people, different managers, and you know, like, giving like the service, like a lot, huh? Yeah. So during the pandemic, almost all the places that I was going, you know, they were locked down, you know, but California was open. And I received a call from a friend of mine, you know, the he invited me to go to the states and and meet Roman, you know, to a music production. So I was sharing with my brother before and in Yeah, I trust in this because he said he talked to me about the people in San Diego and I never been there before. So when he told me that I just felt something I felt something like in my heart was like like, like a clique or something and I said if I felt my intuition saying you gotta go there, you know and I never went to United States before her only once you know to spend some time to Burning Man. You know, where they this time they invited me to stay with them in the house and to be the guest. So I just arrived in there and Grumman goes in there and was like, like a connection in one say Come with my bro we just met and we just sit in the studio and we as create few songs together already so Roman he was working already with some other music there is Romanenko. Right, but he's that that is his kiss him first production, you know. And then when I arrived in there we start to become also a white stripe. And then we exchange to the white circle. Uh huh. So in the white circle is where we are three of us are here plus my brother Camilo from Chile. So with Roman we just met in California and there everything is that So Robin can tell you a little bit more about this encounter. Yeah, divine brother. You know how much I love you. I love him. Like, like, I look like you, you know, my roses? Since? Yeah, since we connect, you know, we were always like, super, like best friends, you know? Yeah. He's like, Wait a minute. Are you on here? Also, you know, it's like, about connection. I'm so happy to be here. Yeah. And also with you, Julia. Oh, my sister.
Roman Nebo 26:06
You know, like the before story. You know, I am like, super new still to grandma. I am. And I did like four years ago, my first ceremony and the my vision started with this beautiful tree. You know, and when they came to the tree, it was made from beak anacondas, like even leaps, everything was moving. Everything was like coming. It's the most beautiful picture ever, so. And she said, work with me. You know, Alan said, work with me. Yes. Wow. Okay. And they said, Alright, so what do I need to do? And, and she just said, like, Listen, you know, start learning to listen first. And this is how I start on my trip. And first ceremonies, I was getting a lot of like, healing, find my balance my harmony, you know, my self development, self control, like, meaning of life. And then the second part, when they met, undress, is when to the, it's shifted to a new level. So we start I start see same vision like him, you know, so he was like, in the spaceships and travelling together laughing together holding hands, like super connected ceremonies, you know, and all that process, I was learning about sound, you know, I was I'm not professional musician, or sound engineer, I don't have any background or education or certificate that I'm no music, but all my family, you know, from my grand, grand, grand grand father's like, almost like seventh generation, like all musicians, you know, so my dad just teach me one song to play on the accordion. And then And then he said, like, if music gonna like you, you're gonna teach you, you know, this it and this is how I been always self learning, you know, the whole music. Bad was if it was next level, and then I started to see the vibration, I started to see the the frequencies, different hertz, the micro delays, and then show me the micro delays, effects how they can be impact, like a binary notes, your know, or zettabyte Bration, which activates your brain to central point that you can remember everything much easier. So and this is like sound engineering from me, you know, and I was like, Okay, what kind of tools I need to do. So I started buying a lot of programmes. So I spent over I don't know, over a million dollar, just to find like, those, you know, learning learning process and and then the whole game start, you know, the whole game started the whole my life change. And then I got like shamans coming to me. I never met them. I don't introduce myself, so I got Indians and Brazilians. And before I met undress, I started working on the song called tree. And because I always connected to the trees, and then just come, you know, we just hang out and talk. So we went to beautiful jacuzzi, you know, and they said, and jazz, they have this beautiful song called the tree. And it's like, you know, Roman, I have the song called the sacred tree. So let's hear it. And then they just read the button. So the music and the lyrics was 100% match. Data Yeah, so even Spotify called the sacred tree. And this was the moment then It's started. So I has such a not only she brings so much, it's like a complex, I will say, you know, it's a complex drag. You know, this is not like, drag beach can heal one part of your body or your brain or your sadness or depression, right? It's a good track. Oh, yeah, that's, you know, and because it's has a complex of everything. So its impact, you know, to instrument what we have our body and our mind. And then we have other instruments, which we don't see like our third eye, our chakras, the abrasion, and she gives everything in the same time. You know, so she gives you the eyes to see the value in things. You know, and this is was also a big impact on the technology, but I work in, you know, because I'm in a music and technology now. So and those two teachers, you know, teaching me through and I are keeping the, like, glue, the balance and validation of it. Okay. Yes. So you were already attendant your What was your what you're doing in the first place? You were a coder? You were a technologist. Yeah, I was even the CTO for two companies in the United States. And before that, like, like 25 years has experience in technology building application and blockchain security and stuff like that cloud, a cloud storage. So I've been working for data centres, and as an engineer, as well. So and it's, you know, in one point, she even told me why I have those two skills. You know, like, I saw the past, like, Oh, my ancestors, you know, to the future, what you can, how you can train them, and how you can apply?
Martin O'Toole 31:57
Exactly you had, yeah, I've I had a similar experience with with my pivot, because I was I've been in the communication industry, my whole life in marketing agencies. we're part of the problem is I am not fulfilled, I'm very unhappy. Yeah, but the business is going we thought, No, I'm not happy. I'm just pretending I'm super depressed, or a worse. I'm off to live in Bali. And, and I had the same kind of a the same message, because then through that, through that period, when I first moved to Bali was what have I would have been doing been wasting my life for 25 years. But then of course, I got the same message. No, you haven't. All of that work, you've all of those communication skills, you've learned, the writing skills you've learned, you now have those skills which you can reapply, right? To telling the story about plant medicine, right? Funnily enough, why we're here.
Roman Nebo 33:06
Exactly. And you're learning to apply it in a different way. You know, you're trying to apply the technology be more eco friendly. Right? cares about the trees, the air, the planet errs, you know, so how those technology can even help people to communicate or collaborate, you know, so how they can connect and and I will tell you later about that the technology, but they would just want to keep the focus about the music. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So what happened then? Then Andrea said, you know, Roman, and leaving being recorded, like, Oh, my God, we have maybe 70 or 80 tracks recorded. Wow. And it's not published yet. So because I want to do through as a nifty project. And when then when Dianna show up in my life, you know, the first day we did the ceremony together. And is that how you met? Are you Yes, yes.
Martin O'Toole 34:11
So synchronicity
Roman Nebo 34:12
and leaving, like by each by each other, you know, the whole ceremony and we've been like super connected. So after that connection, we start making the new project out of matrix. And the idea was like went yellow because I knew that down there he was a professional like everybody know him, he has a big a nice present and he always promote their plans, medicine through the reggae music. Nice. That's how it bends he is, you know, and then what that moment like the first day when you start making music, you know, John asked me like Roman so how we work. You know, I said, like, What do you mean is the work heavy flow? Like don't plan It's no writing, no notes, nothing, you just click record the button and see what's going to happen. We need to use some help for that. So that's why plant medicine is helping. And we did also like Bufo together as well. Wow, yeah, you've recorded Yeah, in the studio, you might be recorded the whole it's amazing because you don't know what's going to happen, you know, and have like, ability to record something in your life, I think that's a big advantage. And I'm super appreciate that. Yeah, for to give me those recording, you know, tools in my life, because now I can record capture the, the sound that my life is, right, my experience is like a process of everything. And for me what I was learning in through her, you know, the message was I was getting, it's all about the energy won't be sharing, you know, we are a reflection of each other. And the more you have people around you that same reflection with same tune, you can be much more louder, you can amplify one another Exactly. Nice. And this is like being like bringing more and more people in in one point. Now we have like, nine musician, and the funny part is they all from Chile, from Ukraine.
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Roman Nebo 36:25
Ukrainian was was beautiful. And the whole time we being like, be Indiana, we've been just experience you know, I love to do the experience. There's my like, friends who trying to do something else who trying to take like, risk in the music because like nobody, you know, the psychedelic music, it's still in the development stage, it's only getting the Burning Man involvement, give that music second, like a big push. So right now it's almost like 24% 25% I think like in the mainstream, the the music right now, but they say like every two three years into three years is gonna be like 50 60%. In about five years, the this kind of music gonna be in the mainstream on the radio. So this is how this music developing. And I think we need also to bring the right technology the right people together. And this is our goal, to have all those set of the people with their gifts with their talent, because we have amazing drums people a quarter player, people. And our goal is to record organic, you know, organic. So if you don't use any loops, be trying to capture the moment if you're working in the jungle, the recording the jungle, and we start with the jungle duration. So this is what we did in Bali. You know, the monkey scamming, it's perfect. And now the rain the water. So we're using all the elements wherever we add so because we respect the moment where we are, and you just write it out.
Martin O'Toole 38:07
So I guess it's kind of a little bit like when we try to record a podcast in Bali and you've got a guy next door cutting all the hedges for the first five minutes to dog shouting and screaming and god knows what else happened. It's just part of the production right is the unpaid
Roman Nebo 38:20
part of your life. Yeah, you know, you're trying to capture everything because that music you can come back. I love the authenticity of that. I want to backtrack, though, because a lot of things you said there I want to unpack. I think the first thing we need to just briefly touch on is is you mentioned Bufo and for a lot of our audience, they'll have no clue what we're talking about. So Bufo is the Sonoran Desert Toad is a toad that's in a very small part of the world is in New Mexico, right in in Arizona, and in Arizona. And the toad secretes a chemical which contains what are called Five m e o DMT. So I asked San Pedro Changa, they're all DMT five Meo DMT I'm sorry, bit San Pedro is actually mescaline. Okay, but it contains DMT Correct. mescaline.
Martin O'Toole 39:12
Okay. Thanks, Leslie. So now five Meo DMT. I mean, I've, I've worked with the buffo. Before, I don't really know how you even explain it. It's kind of next level, isn't it? It's a shorter experience, but it's, you know, shoot to shoot to another universe, completely dissolved, pixelate? You know, it's kind of a bizarre experience, isn't it? So, so I just wanted to touch on that. So people understood what Bufo was. But I want to talk about your newfound awareness of frequency because I think that's something I'm really keen. We want to talk about this a lot more on the show. I discovered sound healing as part of my whole rebirth, Journey view, like only in recent years, and I've seen this team before we started recording before that I spent years and years and years consuming, consuming alcohol consuming Class A drugs consuming crap food consuming crap films and TV and consuming a lot of crap music Now I'm not saying all music that isn't this music is crap. That's not fair. There are some phenomenal musicians in the world but but through this process, I started to learn about frequency and how frequency taps into a different chakras. So I wondered if you wanted to talk about that for a moment? Yeah.
Roman Nebo 40:34
But that in was like two years ago. So me and undress, we've been working on this set, you know, like for a couple days, we've been in like, super connected, you know, downloading mode. And then he said, you know, Roman, I think we need to go to Egypt. Because if you want to learn about the vibration and frequencies, that's the place to go. Yeah, you know, and guess what, in February, on to 20 to 22 we went we went like together meet Jana. And jazz Camila was like a whole crew, to the Great Pyramids to do Bufo in the pyramid. Yes. This is my first time. This is my first time. You know, and imagine this story, you know, when you're going inside and, and it's hard. Some girls couldn't even make it because the Bration of that place when you're going power on to the it's not powerful. It's like it's blocking or shocking for somebody or allow some others it's holding the space. Yeah, you know, literally, you know, how this is how powerful it is. And then we did the Bufo and we put the studio in front of the pyramid for three or four days I've even been recording by the pyramid, you know, capturing that sound. So anyway.
Martin O'Toole 42:04
I'm trying to just paint a picture. So you guys are in a tour with a guy with a flag and he's going okay, we're walking we walk in and he gets halfway through the perimeter with the tour you guys all sneak off down another corridor set up all the recording studio hit the Bufo pipe and then vibe in how do you get in I admittedly have never been to Egypt have not been in the Great Pyramid? Can you just walk in and out of it? Or do you have to do you need permission
Andres Espinoza Arellano 42:31
well, to make it to Egypt, you need a very special coal tax and you know special guidance and of course, a lot of respect for the culture in there. And when you go into these places, you really go inside of a very sacred temple, who is has an owner in there. So the spirit of Keops is in in the pyramid. So you literally has to enter in there on your knees. So yeah, if you try to do it in some other way, maybe maybe the pyramid can push you out especially if you are in a high vibrational state of consciousness. So you are going to feel the beat me in in a very high activation behind that moment so you can really feel the frequency of this geometry. Uh huh. Yeah, so once the you enter in there is it's Wednesday you you enter through the store start the journey right there. So you can go up to the king tambor or you can go down to the queen so yeah, I did that in both . So basically, the pyramid is teaching you were what they are for. So for everyone has their own vision with health Roman was telling for us it's like collective connection. So we are learning kind of the same and you know, it's for me it's the most powerful experiences spiritual experience was inside of the pyramids of Egypt. Yeah, yeah. I have many many many powerful experiences with different plants. Also in the jungle Amazon rainforest a lot in my country in Chile. So that is very powerful all the Andes. And I also wants to remember where the you guys were telling you know, Julia, about the Bali why the Bali is like such a vortex, you know, and it's also Thailand in all these areas because if you said the planet this is like, in the other side, so you have the and this here, and you have Indonesia here, so it's like a perfect balance between mountains you know, but these on things here so many more things that is the same is the same altitude on you know that they have so it's a perfect balance that is because this land is also so powerful so powerful for spirituality and the people is always praying Uh huh so well the pyramids they are located also in a very special place they're at like in the middle of these places now and so yeah is a such a powerful place it's highly recommend go to Egypt to visit the pyramids and yeah, we actually have a song that is called kelps. The is the song The Jazz born. From that moment there we were sharing the medicine Bufo the Queen chamber downstairs. So we just create the song then there was such a downloading because we were in the studio. We were in the studio with Dr. Camila. Roman was sleeping. Roman goes in there like in a dream, you know. And when we say I think guys, we are inside of the Roman stream. So okay, let's work on it. And sometimes Believe me, we just asked Roman he was sleeping and we like probing What do you think about this? What can we do with this? We just wait like one second and then just came the message and new sound came through? Yeah, and he finally Roman? Yes, he woke up and he like for the last day like the cherry on the cake for the soul. You know, there was an amazing project with piano players and Camila?
Martin O'Toole 46:39
What a beautiful way to create and collaborate. I feel like I need to go the pyramids, we talked to some chaps well, and a guy here, didn't we?
Julia Malcolmson 46:50
Yeah, I was gonna say, Egypt keeps coming into my field. I felt like I'm being called to go there. And I was doing some Egyptian chants recently. And I found them really powerful. Now I work with a lot of different mantras and chanting that the Egyptian ones, they really, really the vibration was very strong.
Martin O'Toole 47:08
And we met a chap who specialises in doing Egyptian chanting. But we've prior to that on the podcast, we had a conversation with Peter at pyramids of cheating. So I got a question for you, then. There's a great debate around the world about what pyramids are for. And if you listened to traditional archaeology, they'll say these giant things that were absolutely specifically placed in the right position for this, that near there and following the constellation of Orion, none of that actually matters, it was just somewhere to keep all the dead bodies, what a pyramids for.
Roman Nebo 47:43
Know, Like, I have those visions, it's not like, I don't want to share my thought I want to share my visions for the gut. And in when we was doing boo for insight, I have the experience when the foreign ones comes to me. And he was showing me what's happened. And the whole story. This is not like what we think this is not people, the firewall. This is guys from a different star nation, they landed here. This is where the find the home, the space to leave, because they was running out of something. I don't know the whole story. I just got the download wherever I was able to, but they bring all those technologies to the motherland, you know, and they've been training and teaching people. And this is how this nation born Egyptian nation, you know, so and the pyramid itself is it's a start station. It's not like what we think beautiful images for Instagram or Tiktok this is something that's something else, you know, this is a station when you can, you know, the spaceship was coming in there to charge themselves. You know, Andreas can tell you more like second part. He also have like this, you know, knowledge from not from the books because we'll be talking right now, this is what I was not reading the books. And the pyramid itself have two types of energy, you know, one it's going under, and one is going up. If you look, the tree has the same design, if you look our brain is has the same design. If you look human flesh, in the sky, it's has the same design. So this is what we call the design of the universe. You know, that pattern needs repeating everywhere and showing us how we are all connected. Doesn't matter if those people from different stars. They have the same design. You know, they have a purpose also to work together. You know, and they came here with a lot of good stuff. And they've been teaching you know, best healers so in the chamber when we went down, they have this man cave like super small you know, it's not easy to get in, but when you get in, it's made from all like minerals crystals. And when you do on your body start lifting.
Martin O'Toole 50:18
Whoa, you can levitate in there. Yeah. So it's,
Roman Nebo 50:21
it's amazing design. It's, it's so much mistake so much rooms, it's so much we don't know even about Yeah, we think that they like 5000 or 10,000 years old, they they more than 100,000 years, you know, more than that, because like what they think like, be the human species. You know, like, the science saying like, 1.5 million years, the homo sapiens like 200,000 years. So we are new species in, in the Mother Earth, that dinos ours was living here for one point, like 2 billion years, our planet only 8 billion years, but have a life. It's like 80 years, like normally it's not even exists. Yeah, if you think about right. So I love how Elon Musk was saying that, you know, life is too short. So you need to take the risk, right? Because you come with nothing. And you go with us nothing. So you literally have nothing to lose. You know, and the people worry about the planet, you know what's going on? always curious, right? But I think we need to learn how to do something, you know, its value, you know, so we can travel through the space. So we can we can visit those guys. I would love to, you know, to, you know, have this kind of experience in my life. But I don't know if it's gonna happen, I hope so. That's why I'm trying to build it with knowledge, you know, so to find the right people,
Martin O'Toole 51:51
I'd like to do, I'd like to do a podcast with somebody from another planet. But yeah, but you're just for those listeners, who are those listeners who were saying, I call bullshit on that, you know, yada, yada. There are many, many, many people. And there's lots of anecdotal evidence to support what you're saying. And that is this, this huge question about ancient civilizations, Ancient Aliens is the term and there are many people have written about it, Graham Hancock talks about it a lot. And there is a lot of circumstantial evidence to point towards the concept that these technologies, it wasn't just Egyptians was it, it was Mayans and the Incas as well, these technologies were far more advanced than they've been presented to us by traditional archaeology. And, I mean, I've worked with chango, with our friend Stefano, in, in a sound healing temple at an Inca temple in the Kuzco hills. You know, these, these structures are designed in such a way to well, they do lots of things, right. The one of them is healing one of them, they were healing chambers. And you could, as you said that the compounds that we're using, there's all sorts of mad things you can do in these places. So I agree with you. I think also, another thing we we ought to be doing is that he was having more conversations like this, as opposed to, you know, the latest reality TV show, did you watch that on Friday night? Actually, I'd much rather be having conversations about the nature of humanity, how we got to where we got to how do we go to the how do we evolve? How do we stop this devolution of humanity? Because for a great many people on this planet, spirituality doesn't exist. Metaphysics don't exist to many people. There are still many people on this planet who think that we're crazy for having conversations like this. And I love those people, by the way, and that you know, what you said earlier on and dress I respect everybody's truth. So I got a lot of love for anybody, whatever that truth is, is that true for a reason. And but we are all still connected.
Julia Malcolmson 53:56
And we see what we're meant to see when we're ready to see it. The timing with us to be right.
Martin O'Toole 54:01
Yeah, it does. And I, you know, we talked about this a lot on regarding doing this podcast, sometimes I think, should we be having these conversations on the podcast? Because I don't want to preach to people. But I also believe that we are here to plant seeds. Yeah, I mean, we can't, I can't water your garden. I am shit at gardening. But, but I can definitely plant the seeds. And I think that's all we can do and keep having these conversations with as many people the more and more people who are having the same conversation as us. What are we all crazy? I don't think so. Maybe a little bit. You had something to say about pyramids and dress I could see in your eyes I love the pyramids, bro.
Andres Espinoza Arellano 54:42
Oh, I love it so much. Yeah, I want to go soon, actually in. Yeah, so my first journey in the PME was a mushroom experience like, you know, in a very high dose and when I entered there, you know and and I did Meditation in the king chambre tambor So, what showed me like something was open, you know, and what I saw it, it was all the pyramid, different mental, like, you know, like floating against the needles of the clock to the other side. So, every single stone of the pyramid start to become separate, you know, start to become separate and start to spin to the other side of the clock. So, in some point, the geometry, they just back again to a perfect position and every single stone was integrated in there, so, wasn't a ruin anymore. So, what's the original design of the pyramid. So, I saw when I saw the sky, so, I saw the energy of the gold coming through the point. So, I saw the golden pyramid when Cyril in the top of the pyramid, the Capstone exactly, so, the last pyramid on top, you know, because the pyramid is on top, they are cut it, they have a cut, they have a space where these top was a golden pyramid, all you know, like solid gold was in that. So, what is there a relation between this gold and the pyramid and the geometry that this generate this energy there is the electromagnetic energy that is the next level of energy. So, you are not using any more fuel, you know, is the most clean energy ever, you know, so, this is coming from the Centre for the core of the Earth, you know, so, I just was open, the sky was open, and also the floor was open and I was in the middle like in a levitation in this chamber. So, when I, when I saw to the bottom, I saw the core of the Earth, sending the energy and the mineral of the gold through the top of the pyramid, and between the layers of the earth, these may different changes the the this is not easy to explain, because it's a very old science, I guess, you know, but what I saw was, this was like golden energy coming from the core of the earth and rising to the pyramid, passing through different places mechanism and creating like a spiritual especial charging for a big, big huge mothership that was on top of the pyramids. That was my vision. That was my vision in there. So and in some point that start to feel the presence and appear all the general belief is that they were all generally fixed in the stones. Next to me, they just start to appear and shine in a golden with everything was super gold, like was a super golden moment. No. So I saw the presence and I felt the presence and I saw the photo on front of me. You know, I actually I myself, I thought I never think this when I mean in any kind of medicine, they're like, I cannot back to this reality. You know, I never felt that before. Only that moment
Martin O'Toole 58:35
where you felt like you couldn't get out to
Andres Espinoza Arellano 58:38
Yes, yes, I felt that I was abducted. Literally abducted for these. These people No, it's fun. It's really funny for me. Think about aliens. You know, because what I what I think is the we are the aliens. You know, because every single every single manifestation of aliens, all the stories, they are coming about UFO, spaceships, high technology, special beings with different evolutions in their bodies is coming from human beings. So I never heard my dog that I love it so much, you know, never came to tell me a story about aliens. I was in Africa with giraffes and lions and many animals and no one of them came to tell me about the aliens. Not even the sacred tree you know in the Amazon rainforest or in the baobabs in Africa or the bony interesting banyan trees in Bali. They never send me in a study about aliens. I always care this about humans from humans. So what I think is the we are all of that. Yeah, in everything is a projection of our memories. Yeah, there is coming from those files in those buildings. That is because exist such a great genius of the downloading, like Elon Musk, like George Lucas, you know like the movie directors, you know if especially writers, the people who was telling you the story about all these beatings and everything comes from a human.
Martin O'Toole 1:00:31
Yeah, James James Cameron. James Cameron definitely worked with iOS as well.
Andres Espinoza Arellano 1:00:36
Actually before. Yeah, actually James Cameron Oh, he put languages of the Nokia banana language of the rainforest from the old stripes as corny a conical incense Nokia coins were the avatar in Avatar way. Remember when? A word, a word, the spirit of it? Yeah. So basically, in the language of the tribe sees my work.
Martin O'Toole 1:01:01
Right. So do you think he do you think he channelled that or do you think he then went out and said I need a language for my movie? I'm going to research. Oh, he
Andres Espinoza Arellano 1:01:09
just took the most oldest language. There is no cabanas and you know that kind of languages from the tribes in Amazon?
Martin O'Toole 1:01:18
I totally believe Yeah, totally. But I totally believe there are many, many people on this planet and they have been forever who are who are channelling you call it downloading. Some people call it channelling, that channelling information. linking those two stories together would be Nikola Tesla. Tesla said that all of the information that he got was literally given to him. It was a gift. And of course, he developed the tower, which just miraculously disappeared. But there's a there's a lot of people who talk about the link between Tesla's technology, that terror technology and the pyramids and the idea that actually, because Newsflash, there are pyramids all over the planet, and people just forget, they start, they all, don't forget it. It's just not present information. They're everywhere. They're under the water as well, that the underwater ruins of, of, of these pyramids. But there's a theory that one of the many things that these permits can do is interest in your vision. collaborates with that is using this, I don't know combination of natural technologies and certain materials. These things could become an perhaps we're magnetic energy field right? around the planet. Yeah. So essentially, and they could say that, that would be your natural
Andres Espinoza Arellano 1:02:35
magnetism. They use the magnetism to gather all these rocks. That is because nobody can still figure how they will be.
Martin O'Toole 1:02:45
Exactly this this a lot. A lot of mysteries aren't there. And I'd love to talk. There are a couple of guys I'd love to talk to about it as well. Graham Hancock knows a lot about this stuff, but also the What's that? Scientists called who was on the Thrive documentary, who's saying, use Nassim Nassim Hussein that's my Can I Can you get him on the podcast, please? He is. I mean it now nothing he was saying is if fiercely impressive mind, but I think what he does really well as he can explain the science and that that wonderful combination between science and spirituality, right. Okay, small world. He's one of your neighbours or something.
Roman Nebo 1:03:28
Yeah. A lot of cacao has anyone that's the good trip to Egypt, by the way, I think I'm not surprised next month, you just can check on his page. Well, they
Martin O'Toole 1:03:41
I always say there's no such thing as a co inky dink. So the fact that he's your next door neighbour and I've just said we'd love to speak to him. We need to have a conversation. But Lel for
Roman Nebo 1:03:49
sure. Yeah, I think well, it's one of those. Like, you
Martin O'Toole 1:03:54
know, he's, he's developing. He's trying to work on like, everybody around this. But he's working on clean energy, isn't he? He's trying to develop some clean energy. So it's all
Roman Nebo 1:04:06
about the quantum physics. Yeah. Yes, he's on the university and the work and the discovery, what he's doing of the core, how the universe, the universe works. It's unbelievable. So all those projection mathematic, like super heavy code, you know, it's not easy to calculate the destination between stars, you know, but now as a technology we have this ability and you know, like find your partner is like, I met one guy in Hollywood. And he tells me like Vancouver, good example, because I like Roman. For people who are trying to get what is quantum physic you know what they're getting on the book or movies they never gonna get until they try the mushrooms.
Martin O'Toole 1:04:52
Yes.
Roman Nebo 1:04:56
Simple like if you want to get and this have expired. And so you cannot just go, let's say to pyramid or to do something, you know, you need to know what is gonna happen, you know, because it's changing your life perspective now you can see not from 3d perspective, right what we, our species here in the planet, you see everything in 3d, right? In the end, you have this for the fact now you can see object from 360, you can be a part of the high definition, exactly. And you can be you can leave the element of each life of that object. You know, it's, it's unreal, it's unreal. So this is how this technology been developing with the plants, you know, and grandma, she's like one of the best library, you know, of this technology of quantum physics. And boufal to you know, Chang guys, so many those best plant medicine having this quantum technology insight, either.
Martin O'Toole 1:05:59
I've said to Jules, on many occasions, I would love to do a psilocybin journey with a quantum physicist who never did it never did it all. Yeah, suddenly, all of their answers would be there, but then they could explain some of it to me in because I have that experience all the time with psilocybin. It's like, Well, okay, yeah, this is the quantum and I'm time travelling, and I'm able to teleport, and yada, yada. And, and, you know, we've had this conversation before, about being on an Ayahuasca journey, there is no space or time where you go, right, and maybe last, what, four hours, six hours, but actually, your experience of the journey could last 1000 years. And that's very, that's impossible for some people to understand. But that is the quantum, isn't it? And that's the whole point of it. So I'm in Yeah, we need to get a quantum physicist. Well, not here, obviously, because you can't do psilocybin journeys in Bali, but somewhere, we need to go somewhere, I'll come to the pyramids,
Julia Malcolmson 1:06:59
pyramids, trips gonna happen.
Martin O'Toole 1:07:04
Bring,bring Nassim Hussain, and we'll all we'll all go and do some some psilocybin journey. But I'd love to have a conversation with somebody like that about this stuff, and where science meets spirituality, because this is the big area we're in now. And this has to do with the Age of Aquarius as well, I guess isn't it is now we're now we're in the practical age,
Julia Malcolmson 1:07:23
the age of experience rather than knowledge.
Martin O'Toole 1:07:26
So putting that knowledge into some sort of practice. And it seems to me we've talked about this many times on the show, there is a closing gap now. And the Institute of Noetic Sciences, they've been practising this for a long time to start to explain the combination that were the meeting point between science and spirituality. And I guess that brings us back nicely to music. Because frequency, which is something else you mentioned earlier on is is there's a whole science behind frequencies. And so how did you do you guys? Obviously, you guys are channelling this stuff. But then are you have you then gone on to learn more about, okay, right, that's 432 hertz. So that's going to activate the third eye chakra and so on and so forth. How do you because obviously, I appreciate that you just sit in a studio press record and
Roman Nebo 1:08:21
you have a different process.
Martin O'Toole 1:08:22
Okay, talk to us about so,
Roman Nebo 1:08:24
like, first process what we do, you know, we tried to be in the balance, right? And normally we record like super late, like from 1pm to five, you know, 1am to 5am. But sometimes sometimes 24 hours, we never know what's going to happen, right? So we don't plan anything. So then we have that moment to share the medicine, you know, and then you waiting, you know you waiting, it's like hunting, you know, so we mentioned this is like handling your bathing in the jungle barrens for somebody to come and then the music it's coming in you feel this energy and you hearing all those sounds in your head multiple sounds like multiple designs. So this is not like a melody we're trying to capture. So this is like a complex of things happening. It's like a symphony you know on a different level. So one knows are working on the Root Chakra like 396 hertz, some is like 964 And then you have 700 hertz so you have multiple different herbs which activates your chakras, and then the recording was Dianna so I use a lot of cool sound engineering plugins so they can Immolate all those chakras in same time so when you listen to everything become like 360 Everything is moving and then we've working on the sound effects micro delays and whatever we recording the jungle we add some elements some differently abrasion to that element and it's completely started changing are the songs of the songs have this dynamic and be just follow it, you know, it's like a lever, you just go in, don't resist, you leave this experience for like three or six hours. And in that space, you're able to create all those elements. And Deanna playing like, beautifully alive on the drums, like, the written word is coming, it's and the sound and the it's all ancient sounds. And the people who's coming to not by the accident, you know, they have those special gifts and be recorded them too. So they don't even plan, you know, we have this ballerina, you know, just come to say hello, and like, bam, she's recording the record two songs. So we have this is like, the energy of music, how powerful you know, and and jazz is like, all about the shaker. So he knows like how to work with the high frequency because all his design and what what he is, you know, it's a high frequency man always happy, you know, always giving everybody in a good flow, you know, when me and Tiana V, just learning how to be in this energy, you know, and, and, and then you have a complex of the low vibration in the song, the medium and the high vibration. So we try to have all those hertz inside of each of our music because we believe music, it's a medicine to, you know,
Martin O'Toole 1:11:29
amen to that. Yeah, and this is the one
Roman Nebo 1:11:31
of the strongest medicine. And it's the Czar's from boring to till the moment we are die, everything, IT support you with that frequencies, you know, and to write this music, it's a blessing, you know, because you can connect through the music to a different different stars, and you can communicate so for us music, it's a wave of communication to the gods to the great spirit that they think that they are that we can create that we can share it and people can listen doesn't matter if they Madison people or not so because our attention is to bring the good integration, that's something they can work, they can chill, like different elements, you know, to activate a different sensation in their brain, you know, and this is what we are designing. So this is how you see the music process.
Martin O'Toole 1:12:21
One of the things I love about what you're doing is you are modernising sound healing, I suppose not to say that traditional sound healing doesn't have a place anymore, because you can sit me in front of some crystal singing bowls for five hours and I'll just melt but I think what's really smart about this is understanding the technology behind it. There's a whole we talked about this before where there's there's a whole space, this this expanding now with the understanding of energies, energy centres are actually finally being an RNAi or electromagnetic our bodies electromagnetic energy is finally being respected by science. Think you were listening in my class, your Kundalini class. So it's actually finally being accepted as a thing. Okay, maybe all those Qigong guys, and those Yogi's might have known something. But also, of course, Isochronic binaural beats the understanding that one frequency unlocks this, an alpha brainwave state versus a theta brainwave state versus a Delta brainwave state. And for anybody listening, if you haven't got a clue what I'm talking about, go and check it out. Because this stuff is, you know, this is for real. And when you are listening to guided meditations, on YouTube, or on Spotify, for example, the science behind it, it's not just some couple of guys standing in front of a mixer and a keyboard. It's like, yeah, okay, right. We want to get you into theta. So we're going to, we're going to do this, but it's not just about your brainwave state, of course, because, as you said, Roman it also they also correspond with your chakras. So you think about sound healers of the Shipibo and set that, you know, they've been using sound in the tribes forever, right. And dress.
Andres Espinoza Arellano 1:14:07
Yeah, of course. So, the music is basically another drug, you know, it's another drug than using any it's also addictive.
Martin O'Toole 1:14:17
But that's a nice kind of addictive drug.
Andres Espinoza Arellano 1:14:19
It must be one of the best drugs ever in the universe, because everybody loves it. You know? And it's, it's beautiful. It's like, it's that kind of activation that works with every single human doesn't mind. Which age, they have nothing. There's music for babies, then there's music for the womb, when when the woman is pregnant, there's music for the baby when it's born. There's music for kids. You know, there's music for young people, there's music for adult people, there's music for older people, you know? Yeah, it's so funny for me because I think in my new generations, you know, and and I think for our kids It's for, you know, for our children for ourselves and our Aircel for our grandsons and granddaughters, you know, it's like, they're gonna feel the same that we feel about the child list or maybe you know, our music will be so old, when they grow you know, so, we are just creating a legacy and giving an example yes to they can evolve in this sense and you know, music is one of the most amazing tools to healing also, that is because the sound healing exists the sound therapy Mm hmm. Through Bikram frequencies, you know, and that is because every single chairman in the world, when you call the chairman, somebody you know, they get this word is from Siberia or something, you know, but there are songs in Shipibo language that they say shaman also, they know the word shaman and there is the healer also, you know, so, so, when these when these people is working, you know, they are singing all the time, all shamans, they're singers, you know, so, the main healer of the village, he always saying that is because he is is made, is made the doctor of the village, you know, because they since they are kids, they are dreaming with the songs. So every single shaman in the in the community, you know, at least in the Amazon rainforest, every single chairman, they have their own songs. Yeah, you know, of course, there's some some songs that they sing that they are the songs of the tribe, you know, that they are coming from another master. But when you are Charmin usually you don't load your own songs also from these astral words that make you special in that way. So, in a nation of 2000 or 3000 people, you know, you only have 10 healers, you know, you have many musicians, you have many musicians where the the healers and the shamans, they are some some people only and is not everybody. So they have the possibility to go and go into these worlds of the plant, you know, and take these melodies and frequencies from there and bring it to this reality to work with the people here. And everything is coming from a very special place created and designed especially for that person for her. That is how the sound healers also they work you know, so also the sound healers with the gongs and you know, singing bowls, Crystal bowls, you know, and different sounds that drums and everything, you know, it's like, everybody's designed with a special mission, you know, so shamans, the mystical shamans of the plant they usually sing.
Martin O'Toole 1:17:59
Yeah. And you do so when you do ceremony, so you'll sing for the whole thing. And that's Oh, yes. Yeah. And, and, of course, I've been very fortunate to sit in ceremony with all three of you creating music, and it's, you know, because I believe I've seen Ayahuasca psilocybin Wachuma I see these things as as biotechnologies. You know, I, I don't think I don't think there's any coincidence that there are these incredible teacher plants all over the planet, literally, in pretty much every country, you can think of it it doesn't seem to me, it doesn't seem sensible to suggest that just a coincidence that you've got these plants that can provide us with this incredible connection not just to one another, but to source to other dimensions of reality, or the planes of existence, if you like, to our memories, and to our memory. So of course we yeah, we can go way back and we can try travelling time to fix our own trauma. Just again, for those who've never listened to this podcast before. I was an addict, an alcoholic for 20 years and through working with Ayahuasca, I fundamentally to this day believe that Ayahuasca is what essentially cured my addiction. Why? Well, because actually, contrary to many people's popular belief, it's not the addiction, that is the problem for an addict. That's just the symptom. It's the it's the trauma, the root cause of the of that symptomatic behaviour, excuse me, and what these medicines do is, you know, they have a little crawl down inside you and they say, Okay, right, what have we got? And you're talking about that library earlier on, right? Well, let's go through mountains library of trauma. Let's go to the deepest, darkest recesses of his past and then the medicine pulls that out for you and it goes data, but it doesn't do it in 3d. It does it in 360. In fact, more it gives you a universal perspective and But it's in 4k. And in that experience, you are able to see that trauma in a whole different way. You're also you're also able to see its impermanence. The fact that it changes so it allows you to become the observer. Exactly, which is what we do as master meditators isn't it as essentially, if we can observe our feelings and our thoughts and what's going on instead of being involved without being involved in them, then we can have a different perspective. And that's part of being mindful and healing. So, I'm rambling on, but I see I see the plants being a biotechnology and at a subatomic level, this finger I'm holding up in front of me, is actually a lot of vibrating sub, not even atoms smaller than that. It's a vibration. And, and therefore music is technology that can interact with our biotechnology. And this is something that you guys, this is why I was so excited to have this conversation with you. Because this is what you're unravelling now. And you're creating the this music that is that is doing that work for people. I got a question for you, do you think? Now quite clearly, if I were working with some plant medicine or listen to your music, it's going to have an effect but do you think do you think your music will will have an effect on people who aren't with the medicine at all?
Roman Nebo 1:21:20
I think we need to ask them you know, because like our design which was trying to design something was a good you know, attention and the what we do what we record we do not for love to people gonna love us, we do because we love to do it. We don't like this is not gonna stop us if somebody doesn't like or like me just gonna do it because we love to do it now. So this is what we do so and if maybe some people cannot get it like from first time but if they will have a chance to have mushroom ceremonies or deed ceremonies, or even cacao ceremony, something easy, you know, my bird people can have every day. So this kind of music can help them to connect their self self control self balance, activate something new because it's never repeat. So our music structure doesn't have the structure. You know, it's Loving You don't know what's going to happen and this is a beauty and it's not hard it's not easy, you know to make this kind of music because you don't know what you make you just love making you just love to be in this process. So this is why it's more important for us you know to do with love Yeah, especially Deanna this guy, you know, he's all about making music like don't stop like from beginning Kubica till he like crash because he don't can he cannot stop making music until he is by the out you know so the body is like his stop button. Honestly you know, but don't die Yeah, he can just do whatever you know and like every time you do sometimes we record we can record like four or five songs per night. You know? That's a lot and it isn't jazz. We did like 1200 50 layers musically and we like how it's happened and we have like I have this crazy experience so he was doing that ceremony and then recording you know same time you know, and then something started happening to the computer you know my computer started like you know like metrics remember this movie that new is trying to type in you know sub the computer like feeling that vibration and and tore off what Yeah, yeah, this was insane. So when they turn on you know like what happened V start we click play and it's like angel sounds inside which we didn't record
Martin O'Toole 1:23:57
you way any of your coping you've recorded that she never did it No,
Roman Nebo 1:24:01
we never did it's just appeared it just appear inside.
Martin O'Toole 1:24:05
Do you have a recording of that sound? Yeah,
Roman Nebo 1:24:07
yes.
Andres Espinoza Arellano 1:24:09
We made a whole song.
Roman Nebo 1:24:09
Yeah. So like we feel like a great spirit presence, you know how he was like holding the space for us, you know and was unreal, you know? And I also have my antenna. So I got this gift from Punjabi school from Brazil, you know, Camila breed wrote this Akaka. You know, and I just feel super connected. I just grab it and like boom, and he says, like ramen, I being like, carry this six years with me, you know, to give to somebody and that chairman told me that you will do you deal will find the person or persons gonna find this. So, at first moment, I touched that called calm, you know, and he did like over certain ceremonies. It's very old. Yeah, you know, it's not beautiful, but it's such a powerful on tennis, and when I started putting them, it was it's completely my even ceremonies in order I understand and dress when he's sitting in in this, you know, I will say, you know, not equipment, this is the bo quantum technology because you can listen to the sound from 360. So and for me this is was something else special event you are sitting in ceremony was coca, the sounds coming, not the way how the, you know, receiving sound, you know, like, like ping pong kind of bad, it's coming from behind and thrown in same time. So it's creating this, like vertex, and then it goes like this, or it's like changing and shifting and when you moving, you like have locators, you know, you become like a jaguar, so you can hear any elements. So you was your head, you can design the sounds, and for me, in certain ways, I am, like, you know, moving and every time I dress do the song, I'm producing in my head, you know, in this kind of level, like hearing the sound drums, so beautiful, like electronic elements. And this is how we design and Tiana is well, you know, we using a lot of like alien sounds, are we creating designing our own sound and before we designing our room, our space, and then we start stop designing, you know, like going into the nature so because it's already designed everything, so you just need to learn how to just go there. No fear and just do it. uniform.
Julia Malcolmson 1:26:38
I was gonna say actually, in answer to your question, my question, yeah. And you said about with the music work if you're not with a medicine, already, from the little I've heard, as soon as that I can hear it, it I don't know, like it penetrates straight in and makes me want to move it makes me want to dance. And just kind of really tune into it. I imagine everyone hears it completely differently, because there's going to be the different, resonates resonation resonance within it. And each is going to target different people differently. So you might hear something completely different to me. And it will affect you in a different way. And it already makes me feel excited because I was like you were talking about creating it. And I was thinking I would love while you're creating it to be like on a yoga mat. Oh yeah. You know, and like getting into my own flow and being in my zone and hearing it and letting that heal my body. I think it'd be incredible.
Andres Espinoza Arellano 1:27:33
We actually did it already we had people we had some people like doing like movements like your yoga, you know, because we are very open in our studio, you know, we are not like the kind of producers they you know, like very sensitive they know nobody can be here. You know, so we always open the door of the studio so that when when we need silence with your cesspool silence Okay, guys, we're gonna we're gonna record something. So everybody's in silence. We actually we have already people in yoga mats doing the yoga and like insects dancers we have. Yeah, we can we are we in this recording in this recording in Bali. We already had a like frog. A frog just came jumping leaf by leaf by leaf until she put herself on top of the speaker.
Martin O'Toole 1:28:28
And then just sort of chilled out
Andres Espinoza Arellano 1:28:30
of the speaker. So and we also had a mantis, I saw a mantis and the Mantis was dancing and also came from from the forest. Jumping and we said oh look, that Mantis is over there in that leaf. And now he's in this other leaf. Oh, oh, no, now he's in the balcony. Oh, now he's in the machine. And we were recording the Mantis and the Mantis was dancing with the music was in the reading was was in, in tune with the music. Finally she jumped to us nice. She came like straight to us. You know, it's like we are working with with very organic sound. So the same nature already love it, you know? So it's ready for every kind of person. So you don't need any single medicine or something just to hear the music. You can have your own journey. There's already people using these these medicines to make like dancing classes, you know, or yoga classes in different parts of the world.
Martin O'Toole 1:29:29
Or for sure, yeah, well, obviously, Jules will play she's she's got a really good ear for for creating a great playlist for a yoga class. But I was when I sat in ceremony with you three. You probably didn't notice because you were doing your thing, but I think it was while Tiana was singing I started to do yoga. And that combination of the medicine, the music and the kind of feeling into it with my body was the man it was like it was quantum yoga. That's probably the best way to explain it. It was what it was what yoga probably feels like to to to mass absolute masters of yoga who don't need any any amplification on top of it, but, man, it was the best yoga I've ever done. So, yeah, well done. Advice I'm looking forward to hearing you sing on the on the show
Andres Espinoza Arellano 1:30:26
we had monkeys two
Tiano Bless 1:30:29
monkeys in there, we did a song called Monkey for us. Because there is a lot of songs on Saturdays like them spirituelle dancing, this one of the most like energetic songs is because of the monkeys.
Martin O'Toole 1:30:44
And the monkeys. So the Hanuman Spirit brought some of his little, he's just from
Tiano Bless 1:30:50
that song gave like, like a river also, like, just like that nice in half an hour that we try. Like, when we record like different animals or things that you never expect that gonna be in time. Always come like random. We just, we even don't know nothing is like magic. The thing just go and synchronise in a way that we are like always like jumping like
Martin O'Toole 1:31:17
it's just coming together? Well, it seems to me like it's meant to be your meeting is meant to be I believe that about all of our meetings on this planet, but some of us, of course, meet people but don't realise the importance of the meeting and don't take full advantage of that. And unfortunately, then we pass you know, we go on to our onto our next lesson that you guys have picked up on exactly what needed to be picked up upon and then created this incredible circle. So what's next for why circle? What are you gonna do next? you've recorded what 7070 tracks?
Roman Nebo 1:31:52
Yeah, so the plan is, we did one album in California, in San Diego, then the second one we did in Egypt, then we did in Dubai. So we also have the Emirates, you know, that desert experience. And now Bali, but so the music before we was doing has like a different vibration and different sound. But then we came to Bali, because like me personally like first time, you know, so before I was like even trying to do music, I was like no, I want to be feel more connected to, to the locals to the roots of the jungle, you know, go to temples, connect with elements of the water. So I was going through my healing, in that I was asking blessings from Bali, you know, to give me this opportunity. And then like Now we all together now we all connected and we start making, you know, and some of this whole experience. And we wanna like do the music, not like a traditional way, you know, like people just put the album and or single and that's it. So we want to do something else. So we the whole idea is to be wanna do the music as NFT art which making NFT art. So imagine then the music playing and you can have a psychedelic vision experience in same time. And your heart is connecting, you know your pools, you have a smartwatch, so you can connect your DNA to the elements of the music when it's playing. And then it's going to start on your unique and personal level do their whole image with all the chakras is all your tuning. So you have two elements same time because music has seven nodes, and the colours has seven nodes. So if you know how to connect those two elements, so let's say each chakra represent the colour and then the shifting them and the imaging. So now you can see a different image. So the music become a process of understanding and V trying to create not the music, the building the experience. So like in Bali, if it was doing like a ballet experience. So it's gonna be all about the jungle elements, the nature, you know, the sound of the nature, the waterfalls, the temples, like all the elements of the earth, you know, if it's Egyptian experience, it's all about the sun, the fire element, so it's have like a different purpose. So we want to do this album, which will have four elements.
Martin O'Toole 1:34:42
Okay, so just the impact of developing a technology to visualise so I can connect plug myself into something, listen to the music, feel it and then there's your developer network who will essentially create some art that is my personal into reaction with your music with
Julia Malcolmson 1:35:00
mind blown? Yeah.
Roman Nebo 1:35:05
This is what the designer, this is a first, we want to call it like, for the experience, we should be
Martin O'Toole 1:35:13
fully immersive. And you know, in the right countries, it comes with a bag of psilocybin mushrooms as well, just Yeah, I don't know if you guys have seen SIMATIC. So you might know, in the Spanish language, I don't know what it is. But essentially, it's when
Andres Espinoza Arellano 1:35:26
I don't go to school for a long time.
Martin O'Toole 1:35:30
Me neither science SIMATIC are when they set up a camera and some fluid with lights, multiple coloured lights, right. And the fluid is on top of like a speaker. And then they play frequencies music, and the water vibrates into sacred geometry, it is absolutely insane. Like, and it depends on what you're, what you're playing, what music you're playing. The, it creates these incredible symmetrical shapes. And they're still not been able to explain it, of course. And so few people still know about Cymatics. But, but it's a wonderful way to create a visual representation for
Roman Nebo 1:36:13
repeats, the same approach is the same right approach. Because the sound itself can, it already has this intelligence, or the sound frequencies and the each frequency, it's unique. It's like a fire in the fire never hits. But if you put the fire into the space, it's become a circle.
Martin O'Toole 1:36:37
So it's was a fully immersive experience. And isn't it? Wowzers
Andres Espinoza Arellano 1:36:41
and of course, we have, like more projects there. They were gonna keep it in secret because yeah,
Martin O'Toole 1:36:49
because you Cheeky monkeys.
Andres Espinoza Arellano 1:36:52
They're like, well, you know, to, yeah, to make the, the surprise factor is very important to Crusher, you know, and we're gonna do amazing stuff, you know, to connect, we are not only thinking in this present moment, you know, we we are thinking in, in given given in live legacy, you know, for new generations, you know, something that they can also use, you know, because in during my experience in shamanism, you know, I know this, when I saw sometimes for many kids, you know, they especially the, the sons and the daughters of people who is doing shamanism, you know, they are growing in a different time. And they are like kind of god of disconnecting themselves, you know, only to don't follow their parents rules or the parents lives, you know, what I mean? So, one of my dreams is make all these music and, you know, to make it attractive, also for the new generations, you know, because they are the texture of this human experience, you know, when we are kids, we have such an amazing capacity to connect to, you know, and if we have like good content, you know, for them can be amazing, you know, so when we are creating like, a lot of different stuff to make them, you know, have also an experience from their, from, from their conscious their, their level of, of mine that is happening in their time, you know, because what we leave is not the same, they are our thoughts, you know, our thoughts, when we think about life is not gonna be the same for them, they're gonna think something different. So, you know, it's like, try to make them attractive, you know, what we do, without pushing them to go to come with us, and you know, and share these subspaces of shamanism when they were the people is healing, you know, is growing and exploring or something, you know, to make them interest we need to like be very open, you know, in at the moment, they create, like new music. How are we going to show this?
Martin O'Toole 1:39:15
We live in unprecedented times, don't we? I think were, quite clearly the collective consciousness is rising. There is a huge uprising of awareness and self realisation. And people who really have realised you know, what, and speaking to what you were, what you mentioned there. I don't want to follow the path of my parents. I don't want to have the same trauma. I don't I want to break the cycle. And to do that, yeah, actually, I do you need to say listen, I love you, but I don't want to be like you. I want to follow a new path and that for many people is the path that many people we know followed and that is it. Self Awareness unlearning, you know, comprehending the concept of neuroplasticity, I have learned all of these neuroses through my trauma through my social conditioning. I don't want it anymore doesn't serve me anymore, I want to be somebody else. I feel like a, there's a call into telling me that I should be someone else. And so I think what's beautiful about what you're talking about here is, is there, there's a whole of the generation of people, I mean, wow, you know, we're having this conversation now on a podcast and 2020 to imagine what they're talking about in 30 years, you know, there will probably be teleporting and in for a podcast out there, no need to worry about Emirates, and just oh, we'll just do some telepathy. I'm so excited, it really excites me, it excites me to have a conversation with you guys about this, because you're, there's this we're not just talking about the ethereal or what some people might term woowoo we're talking about technology, and the evolution of that technology and the integration of that, with these medicines. And with these newfound approaches to living and obviously, that's the whole point of this podcast is to invite people to consider Excuse me. If you want to die, well, you probably ought to learn how to live well.
Andres Espinoza Arellano 1:41:24
Exactly, exactly what I think is what I think after the old experience that I was having, you know, with all the plants and different cultures all around the world, what I think is the, the, you know, the shamanism without technology doesn't work either you know, so, and and the same is only possible that everybody here in this table, we are here because of the technology. So we cannot try to separate ourselves, you know, like from, from this kind of energy or this kind of frequency also the is not so high like the feeling of the medicine, when you're healing on exploring other dimensions, you know, we cannot go far from technology because we are being disconnected. You know, so what we need to, we need to do I think is like, it's like feel connected everywhere. You know, if you are in the jungle, you feel connected. If you are in the city, you still feel connected. You know, if you are with your shamanic friends, you feel connected, if you are with your friends that they are not shamanic, you are still connect. Uh huh. So that was one of my goals, because, because when I start with the medicine, you know, of course, I, I tried the medicine on Saturday night, I rest on Sunday, and on Monday, I went to quit my job. That was my study. I didn't know about it. So you know, everything changed for me. So I didn't work any more in the system. I just started to work only in the shamanism. So in the beginning of my journey, you know, I was judging the system you know what I mean? And finally, you know, I'm on top of planes all the time going everywhere, you know, passing through airports and so many people using the technology and using the system you know, you have to use your car you have to use money her so it's all together you know, we cannot even separate the who who wants to say no, I want to shut my mind and work only with my spirit. I don't think it's possible you know, I think we need to gather all the forces and they all work we got to grow you know, to grow and really connect you know, to to the great spirit of consciousness you know, it's passing through your body when you have to do something there you have to use your body Ben before he is activated, you are using your mind and when it's activated, you're using your consciousness you know that different levels, you know, in your brain. So finally is a whole three meaty working to make you go and see what you need to see. You know, so we cannot disconnect our mind for to meditate. We cannot disconnect our mind to do medicines we cannot disconnect our bodies to do something else because how can you complete a cycle if you try to separate your fields
Martin O'Toole 1:44:30
make a really interesting point. Sorry, interrupt. No
Julia Malcolmson 1:44:32
I say completely like that resonates the connection and for me whenever I've worked with any plant medicine, it's always about the connection and I always get that reminder that we're all connected every every single one of us every plant every even the table you know I find often you might come out of a space of ceremony where you when you remember that and every time for me I touch something or use something it's that remembrance in that thing, thinking that object thanking the plant thanking me Because I'm connected to everything, and when we try and separate ourselves so often will talk about the matrix and we've come away from it, we still need to be connected, we still need to find a way of completely allowing ourselves to stay in a flow in connection with those other spaces, because we need them. And we all need to work together.
Martin O'Toole 1:45:19
Yeah, I think I think the point is, there's a difference between being in the system, you know, we talked about the movie The Matrix all the time, because I always say the matrix is a dumb documentary. But you know, in that movie, if anybody hasn't seen it, you know, these, all these poor humans are plugged into this, this computer network, and they've got all of these cables in the back of them. That that's one way to be in the matrix, unconsciously plugged in consuming. On the hamster wheel, if you like, you know, the hamster wheel of life. But I think the, of course, it's still the system, isn't it? So and, and this is a problem problem. This is a stage of evolution that a lot of people have when they're going through the that's that work doing that self awareness work, where they, where they begin to try to shun their own humanity. I wish I wasn't so human, I wish I was more spiritual Ramdas talks about this, or talked about this, this idea that we were so resentful of the system, we're judgmental, as you said, We're resentful of our old our former selves for being human. Because we're trying to evolve we're trying to get to that that higher stage of consciousness, but then actually, we're, we're judging. So then we're actually not being mindful. And I think the point is, we are here as humans having a human experience. Newsflash. So with that in mind, to completely shun our own humanity, to shun humankind to shun the system in which we are born in which we exist, I think is foolhardy. I don't I don't think it's the right way to do it. By the way, I say that without judgement, because that's, that was a phase I went through, you know, I moved out here, I was like a monk. For a year I lived this monastic lifestyle where I was doing all of the meditation, silent retreats, sound healing, breathwork. And I didn't have to, I didn't want to interact with any of the human beings. Actually, the works really easy when you don't have to interact with human beings is and then I learned actually, the work is coming back. And as you say, undress, actually the work is to then come back to humanity. And share some of that that you learned. Share some of that love, share some of that light, share some of that music, share some of that medicine. Share some of that energy healing and and yoga that you give so freely to people my love. I could have this conversation for another four or five hours, but if you're not listening, it's got really dark. I can if I just Yeah, I can hear undress his stomach rumbling so I think we're gonna we're gonna have to call Yeah. So I think we're gonna have to call it a day for this this interview guys, but you're gonna play some music, aren't you? So I just want to say thank you, from the bottom of my heart and soul to all three of you for for what for doing what you're doing, but also for coming to speak with us today. It's been a beautiful conversation. Do you want to drop some social media handles web addresses? Where Can anybody find this music? Eventually? Any of that sort of stuff?
Roman Nebo 1:48:36
Yeah, so we have on the SoundCloud called Weis circle. On the Spotify, it's called out of matrix or we're going to be second and third release soon, too. So but you can follow us on YouTube. Rama nebo, Tiana Blais bi circle. And also I have a lot of single this was undress as well. So he's electric Vizard. You can find him on the Spotify as well,
Martin O'Toole 1:49:04
electric wizard and what I will collate all of the links to all of this, and I'll put them on our website. They may anything? Yeah, yeah. Oh, the electric wizard. Nice. Well, I'll collect all of this. I'll put it on our website. I'll put it into the show description. So anybody who's listened to this and you want to hear more about these guys, or find out more, you can do that really easily. You got anything to add my darling.
Julia Malcolmson 1:49:27
Now I just want to say thank you. Thank you so much to all three of you for joining us. It's been wonderful to hear from you, bro. All three of you. And yeah, I'm just blown away. Thank you. Thank you.
Andres Espinoza Arellano 1:49:39
Oh, thank you so much, Julia. Thank you so much Martin . Love you guys so much. And thank you for for having us. And yeah, it's a pleasure share, like the 1% of the story.
Martin O'Toole 1:49:55
I think we're gonna have I think we'll have another conversation perhaps Perhaps we'll we have a small field recorder we'll bring that with some microphones and to another country will follow you and see what you're doing I think that yeah
Andres Espinoza Arellano 1:50:07
I forget to mention it that that is that is what that is the main project of the white circle you know the Roman was saying our main project here is just do the recordings you know in the same places that we dream to go that you know if we dream to go to Bali Roman was dreaming to come to well he always want to go to Bali yeah and when we met we say we will record in all the sacred points of the earth we will now we're gonna make an album
Martin O'Toole 1:50:37
nice you know when you've got more countries
Andres Espinoza Arellano 1:50:40
dream come true already happening you know is a dream come true already happening and yeah, I think Roman is also a projection of my dreams you know and I think I am one of him and I think we are Hello Hi sir. So we I love this moment then every single guy who is around us you know? Yeah and also the people who is not you know sending blessings for the humankind always trusting in the we are going up oh my blessings for all the Masters in the jungle in the different places in the embassy in the mountains deserts oceans and yeah, everywhere in the whole universe.
Martin O'Toole 1:51:30
Nice Should we go and get sushi? Yes. Yeah. Always so to know you're gonna play as a song now Yes. i Yeah. And this is called Jeddah Daya and this is from the Y circle album
Tiano Bless 1:51:49
out of matrix
Martin O'Toole 1:51:50
nice take it away bro
