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SPEAKERS
Martin O'Toole, Terae De Cou
Martin O'Toole 00:00
Do I need up did I tell you I quit drinking coffee by the way.
Terae De Cou 00:21
You mean, cappuccino,
Martin O'Toole 00:23
currently stopped drinking caffeine. And I'm wondering if I maybe need to get it back in my life because dementia is kicking in in so many ways. Anyway,
Terae De Cou 00:32
wait, stimulants have a really good relationship with us?
Martin O'Toole 00:36
Yeah. Anyway, what was I about to do? That you know that actually, there's a nostalgia attached to that sound for me. 1977 Steven Spielberg movie, Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Does that resonate for you?
Terae De Cou 01:01
I mean, my childhood was spent in it. And that was definitely one of the movies that made the circuit and that little ditty is something that all still kind of like replay every now and then and generations, my age and older, totally get it right and will nerd out on that. But the younger generations are there. They're it's an inside joke. They're on the outside of
Martin O'Toole 01:29
why it's interesting, nice name, because I wonder why that is. Because if you think back to the late 70s, and 80s, even the 90s we had some epic sci fi movies, and they were, you know, it wasn't all alien invasion. You know, Marines. You know, let's, let's have a big machine gun of America. Yeah, it wasn't it was actually, it was mysterious and wonderful and wholesome. And, like, ET, for example, another epic Alien Encounter movie. What happened?
Terae De Cou 02:02
Yeah. Hollywood? I don't know, honestly. I mean, I think there's definitely a relationship that has changed in the world. But, but I mean, maybe specifically in the United States. So having more like fear around the unknown, the others, right. And we talked about building a wall for the aliens on the other side of this country. And we use that same terminology to talk about humans as others is not like us, and we should be fearful of them. And because we have the same word for aliens in the galaxy, you know, that fear still attached to it as well. So?
Martin O'Toole 02:47
No, that's a good observation. I think the there has been an increased demonization of, of anything non planetary. A, it depends, because this chinwag we're going to have is, it's rabbit hole 101, isn't it? I mean, there's no way we can pack what we could discuss on this particular topic into half an hour, 45 minutes, an hour, not even an hour and a half. Because, of course, there are so many mixed stories about so many science fiction versus science fact. And you know, and I know you're gonna share some some concepts that you've been having to look into look at, but
Terae De Cou 03:33
Well, the concepts of aliens are, it's the art of the possibility, right? So our imagination has a freedom to run wild, because we don't have enough information to say what it is or is not. And therefore, there's a freedom in that for us and our very large imagination to run wild with all kinds of possibilities. And if there's anything that we know about the universe, we know that we don't know anything, so anything's technically possible.
Martin O'Toole 04:07
Yeah, absolutely. Although, all that said, last year, I think was a I suspect was a pivotal year, in terms of the are there UFOs conversation? And of course, I don't know where we can start this conversation. We can either start it in the 40s in the 50s, or we can or we can start. Let's just refer me last year. Was it around May I think the Pentagon released a legitimate video footage of one of their fighters or two of their fighter planes following something that did stuff that was not possible. In aeronautical terms. It defied physics as we know it.
Terae De Cou 04:51
Right. And it also was impossible on this scale of what the human body is capable of enduring through means like G for speeds as well, like, possible.
Martin O'Toole 05:03
Great point, I think they said it would literally splatter a human body. So if a human was in in that craft, you'd be, you'd just be mush. And I what I find curious not to be a conspiracy theory, not here. But what I find curious is, of course, that information is released and spread wide and far and wide. I mean, it was like a wildfire, wasn't it? It went around the world. But of course, it's during a pandemic, where where the news machine is working 24/7 to, absolutely to deliver it's, you know, it's it's, shall we say, narrative. And so while the likes of you and I no doubt, saw this video footage and went, well, amazing, told you, a great many other people still are not aware of it, it just it just it was in the news. And then it was in the mainstream media as well. And then it just disappeared, because of course, then there were lots of people dying and lots of fear porn.
Terae De Cou 06:11
It's unfortunate how, you know, the US government has actually released a lot of interesting things that just do get media attention. I remember reading an article from, I think it was the Department of Defence, or it was the Department of the Army actually, that had written. It was a report one of their guys had made about how we're living in a Holotropic reverse and this has come mean, ended States government research into these sorts of things. And, you know, not a blip in in media, right? Because it's not catchy. It's not buzzy, yet, to me, it's catchy, and buzzy. But yeah, there's just sort of a radio silence in terms of you things that our government is aware of, or or researching about things that are happening in the wild universe that we are hurtling through space in and, and I love talking about it.
Martin O'Toole 07:14
Me too, completely. And as you say, it is a strange thing. Because certainly a decade or two ago, people would argue there was a great deal of secrecy. In fact, further back, there's a great deal of secrecy about what was going on. It seems to me as though there is a less secrecy, but then at the same time, one utilising the ability of critical thinking, one has to ask oneself, well, if we can agree that has been a profound amount of secrecy in the house, and there are now readily available FBI and CIA documents that have all been released now, because it's, you know, they're so old, to show that the the US government in particular, invested a great deal of time, resource and money in concealing a lot of this stuff, investigating, but also concealing it. So if we know that governments are capable of doing that, and that's a fact. Then when they do start to tell us some things. me anyway, the critical thinkers going, why are you telling me that now? And why are you only telling me this, and how much of the iceberg Am I getting? And I came across this my light here. That's and that's it, we're like, you know, you've only seen this what's under, under under here, and I came across this interview with Obama last year with James Corden. And I find that interesting as well. Why is a bomber talking about this? When he's not the president anymore?
Obama 08:44
There's footage and records of objects in the skies, that we don't know exactly what they are, we can't explain how they moved their trajectory. And so, you know, I think that we're people still take seriously trying to investigate and figure out what that is. Mr. Obama says UFOs were actually one of the first things he asked about.
Martin O'Toole 09:12
All right, Nick, that from a news channel. Yeah. What's that all about? You know, Oh, yeah. Okay. There are there are things flying around. We can't quite tell you about them. We don't know what they are. We've only just by the sounds of it. Now we're interested. It's like, come on guy.
Terae De Cou 09:31
So during the Trump administration, there was the Freedom of Information Act, which was passed, which allowed a lot of classified material to be unclassified and shared with the greater public. And this is one of many topics you have fellows and aliens in specific that were released and available to the Commons. So I think why President Obama and others are talking about this now, even though he's no longer President Obama is no longer our president, there's sort of a protection, especially when you're in government and politics to talk about things that are declassified isn't violating your oath or other sort of legal agreements you've made to step into office. So and this also gives permission for him and others to start having these conversations in, you know, in an unofficial capacity to just kind of be transparent and say, yeah, there's things and we don't know what those things aren't. And that's exactly what where we're at. There are things that we don't know, and we're trying to know them, but we don't know them.
Martin O'Toole 10:50
But do you believe that that's true when it comes to the government? And I suppose, because another thing this the this crafted, incidentally, for the folks at home who aren't aware of this story, it also hit the ocean. And then they followed it. Travelling at a similar speed under the ocean, you remember, saw that footage, which absolutely blew my mind. I know. So there's so there's a low flying jet on, you know, above the ocean, following this thing, which is basically like a torpedo. Excuse me. Anyway, that was an important point to make. But, yeah, so back to it. Do you believe that they don't know what they say? They don't know?
Terae De Cou 11:35
Um, yes. And I believe that there are a lot of things they do know that they're hesitant to share with us because there's still a lot of like, Cold War, Cold War era. fear based, like, if the Russians get this technology before we do, then we might lose our world dominance our or our industrial dominance, or whatever it is, right. So part of that secrecy is not because they don't want to admit it to the population, but it is to retain some sort of dominance and technological level and our nautical level. And yeah, domination and it's fine.
Martin O'Toole 12:27
Oh, man, Asia now. Yeah, I had a lot of dominance and control. Welcome to America. America. Fuck yeah.
Terae De Cou 12:39
I mean, that's, that's what it is, at least in this country. And why our our government is very hesitant to share that is like, we need to know it and understand it first, before we feel comfortable sharing this with the public, because if somebody else knows it, before we do, they might be able to use it against us. And and, you know, there's a lot of information that's been written about, like the UFO landings in Roswell and other things being being researched. And that has been a catapult for us in our technological advancements, and how that's been done. And the secrets behind that, you know, won't be known maybe until later in our lifetimes. But, you know, our desire is to understand alien technology in an effort to utilise it, or our war machine. Yeah. So there's a lack of curiosity. There's a lack of appreciation for different forms of life. I mean, there's a lack of appreciation for life in general on this planet. And so why would it be any different for aliens? So we see a UFO doing really cool, fast things that we don't know how to do. And it's like, oh, I want that shiny toy. We don't care about the alien inside of it, unless it can teach us something about using space race, or something to obliterate the Russians, I mean, just an example.
Martin O'Toole 14:10
Spot on. But it does go back, doesn't it? It goes back to intern in US government terms. Back to is it the 50s when when they created operation? Bluebook?
Terae De Cou 14:24
Yeah, somewhere around their 40s 50s. Yeah, that was
Martin O'Toole 14:27
when they say it was post war, although we I guess we can talk about Operation Blue Book in a minute, but I'm more interested in the story of Operation Highjump. Are you familiar?
Terae De Cou 14:38
No, do tell. Well,
Martin O'Toole 14:41
there are lots of operations. So between 1946 and 1947, there was an A US mounted, Allied backed operation to Antarctica. Now, what's interesting there Lots of interesting things about this for me, a this is the year after the Second World War is ended. Right? So let's get our head around how there was a need for some planetary healing and some, some restructuring and you know, wow. And of course, there were armed forces from the US all over the world. So presumably, you know, there needed to be some kind of some sort of a recall for that. However, in 1946, they sent 4700 Men 13 ships and 33 aircraft to Antarctica. Now, this is fact this is you can find this information anywhere and depends, obviously, as we know,
Terae De Cou 15:47
you should find you should find this article and link it in your show notes for the audience.
Martin O'Toole 15:52
I absolutely will. And I'll share I'll share two versions of it. Because as you might expect, there are two versions of what went down here. Now there's the Wikipedia version. Now, I'll do all due respect to Wikipedia, I don't trust most of the stuff I find on Wikipedia. Right. So which essentially says according to a naval report, the operation was centred around training personnel and testing equipment in frigid conditions. amplifying existing stores of knowledge of electromagnetic geological geographic, hydrographic, hydrographic and meteorological site, try saying meteorological when you've quit drinking coffee propagation conditions in the area, and also, essentially all around general eyespace. Research. So so that's what that's the narrative for what Operation Highjump was. Now,
Terae De Cou 16:54
I can already I can already tell you based on my research, what that political jargon is referencing, but but please do continue.
Martin O'Toole 17:04
I would I absolutely want to hear that. But But of course, there is a contrasting story to this. And the contrasting story actually, was covered by this wonderful little show I discovered called the science show, it was presented by an English chap called Robin Williams Robin with a why. And he had a guest on Australian chap called Craig McComb at Craig karmic. Apologies, Craig. And I'm going to share a link to that as well. But the five things that the five points that Craig argues in the show, one, there were secret Nazi bases built in Antarctica. And there is proof to that, to Adolf Hitler fled there at the end of World War Two, three, the Nazis fought off allied attacks of these bases using super weapons. For the US, finally, nuclear bases in the 50s, and five, our governments have concealed all of this from us. And there is some incredibly compelling evidence to support what Mr. Carmack says. And here's the other thing that I found fascinating. Have you also heard of Operation Paperclip?
Terae De Cou 18:26
But if we're talking about Clippy from, like, Microsoft Office,
Martin O'Toole 18:32
I would imagine this is the earlier version of that. So this is this is a legit programme. Well, it was a secret United States Intelligence programme, but I think some of this was later released. In which 1600, German scientists, Nazi scientists, engineers, technicians were taken from former Nazi Germany and other bases, imported to the United States by the government, given visas, and employed after World War Two in the US and other parts of the world. And here's the thing, those guys started NASA.
Terae De Cou 19:17
major countries that are trying to focus on expansion and growth, they think of the game risk, right? They treat scientists the way that tech companies treat engineers, there's a reverence there of like, we'll take anyone you're an engineer, you're a scientist, we want you we don't care what you've done in your past just come work for
Martin O'Toole 19:45
us, your values don't count.
Terae De Cou 19:49
And there is a lot of information about how this happens between countries like the United States and Russia and China, and it's fascinating. It's It's a huge it's a huge topic. That's a whole other wormhole though.
Martin O'Toole 20:03
Well, it is, and it's and it's borderless. But here's the thing. That was also proven and there's plenty of research to show this that the Nazis were working on developing electromagnetic technology. And they developed and that I've seen the reports of the schematics for these, they developed a flying saucer that they were trying to get off the ground. Now, we don't know if they ever did or with all you can find when you did when you dig deep as is the blueprints you know that, you know, people have actually schematics of how to make these things. Now, there are scientists who have made this electromagnetic technology work and it actually had items devices, levitating, you know, really small vehicles levitating. And you can see videos of this. Granted, nobody's made a human a human size craft do it. But of course, there is their false opposition. What if the Nazis worked out how to create this technology, create spaceships UFOs, if you like, you know, things that people would certainly be a little bit surprised by flying discs. And then the allies, the Americans invaded the secret base, or the secret bases in the Antarctic, nicked all the gear nicked all the scientists blew up the basis. And ever since the 1940s. Ever since 1946, or 47, the US government has been working on a secret programme to develop this technology, or go. A lot of the UFOs that we see may not actually be alien crafts at all. Might be secret technology developed on this planet?
Terae De Cou 21:56
And that's the other thing when we talk about like UFO sightings, right, the question is, you know, is it alien? Or is it government? Right? Is this like high technology, government stuff? And I think there are some people in the inside that wouldn't know the answer to that question, even, you know, way up in the top echelons of government that wouldn't necessarily have the classification to be able to answer those questions. But the idea again, going back to the concept of like, there have been without a doubt, in my mind, there have been contact with aliens on this planet. And and we have learned from their technology in a way that is helped advance our own technology. And, you know, at some point in time, we are going to space, right, you see Elon Musk, we're the Amazon delivery service is going to be up there ready for us to just start or so I mean, like, the possibility of us being in space now is a lot shorter than you know, compared to like, 1946 1947, we have continuously made progress and efforts. And sure most of those have probably been failed experiments. But through each field experiment, we are one step closer to knowing what works by knowing what doesn't work. Yeah. And it makes sense what you said, in some ways, like, I'm sceptical about, you know, this, these operations. But I always take these conspiracy theories with a grain of salt. But we do know that a lot of German, a lot of Nazis went to Argentina after 1946. And there are only two places that I'm aware of that you can travel to origin to Antarctica from what is the very tip of South Africa? And when is the very tip of Argentina? Right? And, you know, to make that journey from anywhere else, I don't think it's possible. So, you know, I see there being like groundwork for there being a possibility in that and I'm not 100% believing it, but I'm also going to not discredit it either.
Martin O'Toole 24:20
No, and I probably famously now on this show, I tend to drop a bomb or two, but, but I'm not an academic. So I'm not going to go into all of the all of the research. What I always say to people is, you know, this is an idea. Does it resonate? If it does check it out? You know, do your own research has got to be one of the catchphrases of the last two years at least. So anyway or do your own research. But, but one thing you could definitely say or at least I can definitely say is that it raises questions and and there have been there have been a number of mini documentaries and and shows made about these and books published on on this very this particular subject and Operation Paperclip and Operation Highjump. And the potential connection. Yeah, well, I agree with you, I think. Well, I, I will I will go from the beginning of your earlier point. I absolutely think we've had contact and actually I think I'm sure it was Roosevelt didn't Roosevelt isn't there's some documentation so that Roosevelt essentially admitted that or is that or is that nonsense?
Terae De Cou 25:29
Didn't? Didn't Roosevelt wear women's dresses? To
Martin O'Toole 25:34
what to the meetings with the aliens?
Terae De Cou 25:39
There's so much written. Information. Oh.
Martin O'Toole 25:49
Yeah. Perhaps that's why
Terae De Cou 25:50
there was some fears. Or maybe it was Franklin. I don't worry. We have one US president that, you know, fancy, the cross dressing lifestyle in secrecy. Roosevelt wasn't Franklin. It's on the internet. So
Martin O'Toole 26:05
yeah, well, let's see sold on the internet somewhere. So I invite you all to check it out. But yeah, I believe there was communication. Excuse me, I believe there was some sort of cooperation. And, and I and I suspect that's where AI has come from.
Terae De Cou 26:24
Absolutely. And there's there's the intelligent life forms that we're we're talking about right now, aliens that have cool hovercrafts that do fast things that defy gravity and physics. But there's also this other side of aliens that is like what we're seeing unintelligent life. And this going back to Antarctica is why I saw there being a connection there because you know, we are scientists are and academics are looking for signs of life that are alien to us, in these remote, inhospitable places to understand, how does life survive outside the comforts of which we humans have come to know right between like 35, and all in Celsius, zero in like 2934 degrees Celsius is like the comfort zone. But then there are places in like extreme deserts of Dubai and Chile, an extreme cold, like in Alaska and Antarctica, where there are signs of life and this is what research scientists are looking at, to help us understand how can we look out into the universe and even begin to identify what life looks like intelligently or unintelligent leads forms of life? And it's, it's it's a huge spectrum. So when we talk about aliens just want to make sure that there's a distinction between like the grey men that you know, have the big eyes and you know, maybe have telepathy. But it could be extremely microscopic organisms doing cool things that might not be as relevant to our governments, but still, nevertheless can be classified as alien life
Martin O'Toole 28:17
like octopi.
Terae De Cou 28:20
Which I would not be surprised. Interstellar intergalactic travellers plopped into our,
Martin O'Toole 28:30
like, they might actually I know this feels good. I'm talking the ship over there. You know, where's your ship? Do you know, I haven't been back to that ship for about 15 years. I've got no idea. I like it here. It's cool, cool vibes.
Terae De Cou 28:42
You know, this guy's filming me. My octopus teacher was a big
Martin O'Toole 28:48
gaining ratings.
Terae De Cou 28:50
relationship with humans is great. It's great.
Martin O'Toole 28:54
Actually, they just received sentient status, didn't they? I didn't even know there was such a it's, it's a real shame. From my perspective anyway, that we live on it. We live in a time where an animal has to receive sentient status from a certified board before we stop, you know, butchering them, but that's just happens smarter. We Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So yeah, we are considerably smarter than you. So anyway, octopi have just been rated as sentient beings. Yeah, I mean, they're definitely aliens. Just saying
Terae De Cou 29:30
100% And this is where it becomes really interesting because going back to like, we don't know what we don't know. Maybe the government is sharing everything. Maybe they're not but the point is, is like we don't even know everything about life on our planet. There are still hundreds 1000s of species we have not discovered in the depths of the ocean or the rain forest and you know, in icecaps and elsewhere. So, the more order that we say, This is my belief, the more that we spend time getting acquainted with, what does life entail? And how do you define life? Do we give life status to trees? I think a lot of our people would argue yes, not everyone, but yes, absolutely. And especially if you're talking about the redwood forest and the mycelium networks, the intelligence tech Northwest in the United States, yeah, 100% intelligence there. Will they ever reach sentient status? Who knows. But if we look at what defines life here on our planet, it helps us be more accurate with what we are looking for in terms of life beyond in this galaxy, that is my background. We don't know what it is that we're looking for, we want to find somebody that is something humanoid, more or less our same size, potentially non threatening, doesn't have large T has high intelligence, a large brain now feels really comfortable to us. But we might find something like an octopus
Martin O'Toole 31:08
and realise it and
Terae De Cou 31:10
do what do we do when we when we do come across that, you know, what do we do when we come across the micro organisms that is life? What is our next steps there? And this is also something that is wildly fascinating and also terrifying because we have such a poor relationship with the preservation of life here on our planet that I have sure that we don't go into you know, Team America annihilation mode and just rage kill.
Martin O'Toole 31:42
You make a really valid point there I obviously billionaires jumping up and down in spaceships old time in the moment now then there's been there's been quite, there's been a bit of internet chatter about that. On the one hand, people are excited because they're heroes and have now got spaceships. And on the other hand, a few of us are going are you taking the piss? You know, like, we we have, we are now experiencing the largest wealth and poverty divide we've ever, ever known of the back of what's happened in the last two years. And the same people who have profited from what's occurred on the planet are the same people who are going up in spaceships just rocking around. And meanwhile, there is a there are people here who are who are so starving in barley, that there's a new concept called the plastic exchange where if you recycle your plastic, you get rice, and it's flying because people are starving. Not to not to be on the soapbox. But the point being, we've got these people jumping around in space, trying to find the next thing, you know, trying to find whatever it is they are trying to find. And don't get me wrong. There's a part of me that is absolutely fascinated about what's out there. But But I am, I have to say I'm very much more grounded about what's going on down here right now. Because we are in shitsville, Tennessee right now on planet Earth, we are in absolute, free for chaos on every level. And I'm not convinced. Many people are aware of it. I mean, I'm sure I'm sure there are. I know there are some people who who subscribe to what I'm saying here. But you know, Wow, isn't now the time that we ought to be looking inward. And obviously, that's not really the point of this particular episode. But, you know, you, you
Terae De Cou 33:34
inspired me this ties nicely. And if we're looking out there for life, when we could be looking in our own planet for life, that's a great analogy for our own personal individual experiences. We Talk About going inward and meditation and all that stuff. And I see the parallels there. So it's not so different on the outside. But I will disagree with you respectfully, I don't think we're in shitsville and I don't think it's pure mayhem and chaos. I think it's wild right now. It's super wild. And I personally thrive off of change chaos. It's very cosy. But I don't think this is this is it? We haven't reached the apex yet?
Martin O'Toole 34:22
No. Yeah.
Terae De Cou 34:24
And and I think that right now things are uncomfortable. And with that uncomfort comes a lot of opportunity and possibility. Sure. A bunch of dickheads flying around in space that could be spending their money on this planet doing great things would be wonderful. And also if they don't do it, who's gonna do it? How are we going to get into space? How are we going to expand our human relationship as earthbound humans to Starbound to humans, and how will we expand our relationship with each other through this experience? How will we start relating to each other and this is potentially something that I see happening as we start looking more outward, we will become more solidified in our unify culture as Earth beings coming from Earth having a shared neighbourhood, therefore, a shared understanding and a shared collective, that will make us relate to each other differently when we start looking at capitalising the Moon or Mars or whatever it might be,
Martin O'Toole 35:31
but therein lies the the big question, how and when are we going to do that because we obviously, we live in a realm of duality, we know that we live in the planetary concept and density of separation. But we and there is no doubt that collective consciousness is on the rise absolutely no doubt at all. So we are waking up so you know, just backtracking Yeah, I was being a little bit doom and gloom but sensationalist perhaps, we are now in the in the dawn of the Age of Aquarius, you know, some some cool stuffs around the corner, after we've gone through after we've collectively gone through the dark night of the soul, I suspect. But what is what's the trigger point, what's going to be the trigger point where, where we do suddenly realise our intrinsic connection, not just you and I and, and all the rest of our brothers and sisters on the planet, but our intrinsic connection to Mother Earth to patch your mama. And seriously, all of us, 100% of us starting to care about this planet and about one another, because we don't at the moment, we genuinely don't. Actually, this brings us back to the sci fi movies, because of course, the common sense is a common theme isn't it comes back with the Sci Fi especially the sci fi movies of today, were behind you, I suppose Independence Day did it in the first place, didn't it? Where the planet is invaded. And suddenly, we have to set aside our petty differences. And we have to become a collective of as you say that we all share the same neighbourhood. So suddenly, we're all we all have to say the same shared goal that is to fight off these invading aliens. The sad fact about that is of course, we all have a shared same shared goal now. And that is to to love one another, and to love our planet to look after the the tiny rock spinning around, that supports our life and our ecosystem. But apparently, it's gonna take an alien invasion to flip the script.
Terae De Cou 37:36
Well, and this is also a population problem. You know, if we were living in a house all together, and there was just five of us, we'd all more or less get along. And it'd be great, right? But if we doubled and tripled the number of people inside that same finite boundary house, there would be infighting, and it would be about resources and autonomy and privacy. And this is mine. And that that the right so like, this is a natural thing that's happening as our population explodes, just in the past couple of decades. And I think that it's really hard to, you know, even with 20 people in one house to sit there and be mindful and grateful for the roof, we have over. You know, at least a running refrigerator and a coffee machine. Because your perspective and your priorities changes, you start feeling like you're missing something that you had come to expect was something you were owed, because you were born into it. And I'm talking about space, and resources and privacy and all of these things. So we're definitely going through a shift and it's uncomfortable. It is uncomfortable.
Martin O'Toole 38:53
Yeah, but you do you do make a good contrasting point there. I have my own beliefs about overpopulation. And but I think it's more to do with it's not so much to do with the population. It's to do with the centralised control of the population and to deal with the centralised location of population. I saw I read something not too long ago that said, if you took every human on the planet, you could fit them on New Zealand, which I thought was quite an interesting. You know, I mean, I don't know how close we are to the edge of the cliff. For Wow, yeah. And it made me rethink this, this overpopulation debate. Now, I'm not saying that it's right or wrong. I'm just saying it made me think about it, because I'm a critical thinker. But if you can fit the entire human race on to New Zealand surely we've got enough planet to go around and actually then what are the issues you Is it more? Is it more about centralization about border control, for example, you know, because I suspect if we didn't have all of this control a great many more people would happily move. You know, especially if you're one of the one of the large continents. And, and we know for a fact because you and I have done a fair amount of travelling around this planet, there are vast, vast areas of this planet that are not populated at all. And I'm not talking about deserts or, or uninhabitable parts of the planet, or the plot the places where the aliens are all hide now, I'm talking about, you know, dense, densely rich, you know, full of foliage and running water and so on and so forth. I don't know, you know, I digress. But I do wonder about that. And I wonder if, actually, the key to fixing the broken system or healing this the societal ills that we have around connection is, is actually decentralisation? We might we might be talking about blockchain and crypto in a minute. While the heck this is about aliens. It's a tailor gave us blockchain. Maybe they did. Maybe they did. But decentralisation, not just technologically speaking, but societally speaking, you know, I mean, I, I'm, I'm down with the whole micro community concept personally. And if you actually we talk about blockchain for a moment, if you come across digitally autonomous organisations, this new concept of Dows,
Terae De Cou 41:38
especially community dowels, my
Martin O'Toole 41:41
fall, I'm doing some doing some work with some language. Well, I'm into that space. At the moment, I have to say the idea of autonomous societies really wet my whistle. Because it means then my whistle, well, often people spell wet without the H when they say that incorrect. So it does wet my whistle. And the idea that actually then we can be this this self governing community where you're either in this and we agree to these rules. And of course, we do have a blockchain arrangement behind all of that, or you're on or you're not into this, and then you're not in the community. Simple as that. I don't know. I mean, is that is that an invitation for absolute chaos? Or is it an invitation for for us to get back to the concept of communities, tribalism,
Terae De Cou 42:34
that's tribalism at its finest. And there's something really romantic about that idea. I don't think it works in a population our size, and I'm gonna go on a very fringe bent here and just make the statement that I believe it's really important for us to get to the singularity and that means in terms of culture and country and religious beliefs, and all of that stuff that reduces our individual freedoms and our individuality which is really an uncomfortable topic and I know that this ruffled feathers this ideas, but I do believe that the sooner we all become, what is it they said on Star Trek, a similar assimilation, wave existence is futile.
Martin O'Toole 43:30
Resistance is futile.
Terae De Cou 43:33
Assimilation was the key to the board's culture and society because once we're all singing the same tune, it makes this well oiled machine a lot easier. And I like to think of planet Earth as a spaceship and we're hurtling through space at tremendous speeds. We have absolutely no interstellar condom on protecting us from God knows what's out there. And I feel like I just need everyone to just kind of get on the same beat and start rolling in sync this tune, so that we can just start doing some really epic and amazing things. And, and I will admit that it will feel uncomfortable if I had to live through this transition, giving up my individuality and freedom and losing the multitudes of races and cultures and different beliefs would be quite monotonous, but there's something else that comes out of that, like, maybe racism disappears because we're all the same race and more or less some shade of brown, you know, like, so I say that and also I recognise Ooh, it would be uncomfortable, but I think it's really necessary for us. Yeah, as a species.
Martin O'Toole 44:48
I do subscribe to what you're saying. I think it's a turgid pool to get there. We must swim through some some, some real mess. But the thing is, The whole concept of the Borg that Star Trek, by the way, for those of you who aren't aware, although obviously, if you're tuned into this episode, you were tuned in because you wanted to hear about aliens, and now we've gone elsewhere, but stick with us because we, I can I can get this back somehow. But the board, I think the board representation was a negative one because they were all they were they were all cyborg. You know, kind of they were they were kidnapped. And then, you know, turned into these machines,
Terae De Cou 45:27
villains in Star Trek, they were absolutely the villains, but they didn't, they don't have to be you know, now in the, in the power of film, they're doing all these spin offs of the life of the characters we didn't focus on in the original movie. And that's been really interesting for us to watch.
Martin O'Toole 45:43
Yeah, I enjoyed that. And but the hive mind concept is what you're talking about. And, yeah, personally, I believe we are from a higher civilization of consciousness, I believe that we are from a collective consciousness. So the concept of unity consciousness is really what you're talking about, in an ideal world, where we genuinely do identifies so not not, we don't identify the way we we have the identity politics now we identify as a collective we identify as, as a as a unity consciousness. Lens. Yeah, totally weird. Shared needs, share desires, shared passions, shared morals, shared values. And and I think, actually, here's the thing. Now I come to think of it is probably more about the moralistic and the the value of differences, that that probably drive this wedge, because, of course, we are only now growing as a global community to recognise trauma and its effect on our behaviour. And only now, are we actually openly admitting on podcasts that we were alcoholics and drug addicts and narcissistic, you know, cheats and self harm urges, and, you know, whatever it is the point the point is, we're finally at the stage where it's, it's readily morally acceptable for us to accept and be vulnerable, with people off the mask, absolutely. Take off the mask. And so I think we're, I think, I think in that regard, we're an evolutionary stage, no doubt about it. The interesting question is, then what, what what's going to happen to the children of the people who are doing this work, because then we're breaking cycles left, right and centre. And you would like to think these children's don't have those same identity problems, do see the value of the collective. But identity politics is a it's a sticky area, isn't it? Because, you know, on the one hand, I absolutely respect other people's cultures, their their history, their background, I respect their, their religions, I respect their beliefs, I respect everybody's truth. But I also require the same for me. And that's all, you know, that's the golden rule, isn't it, treat others the way you would want to be treated. So I think that is
Terae De Cou 48:15
the that is the mindset that keeps people in a spacious population, because I want to have the space and autonomy and privacy to practice my belief system without feeling like I'm being infringed on and I know this from my time living in South Africa, the rainbow nation, right, and they truly are a rainbow nation. But here's the thing about rainbows, right? It's not one colour Brown, it's distinctly different colours, and there is a line between the red and the blue and the green and they're all living in their own lanes. And that's how it is in South Africa. So more or less the coastal people live in one area and Afrikaners live in another area and the English people and they all more or less stick to their own groups. There's very few just only now post apartheid are some of the younger generation is starting to mingle. And so this is what I'm alluding to is like, so the sooner that we become unified, less identify with this, that I'm an American and your English and your South African more like oh, you're human, I'm human. Hello, right. I'm starting from that commonality. And letting go with some of these identities. Which is interesting, because I think you and I have previously had several conversations about like how the possibility of our, our consciousness and our identity has possibly been infiltrated by other beings not of this planet, not necessarily Earthlings. just I don't know how they would identify what their pronouns are. But for the intents and purposes of this podcast, let's call them aliens. And a lot of people have been reporting these experiences where they feel like they have been communicated to or with by a species of non earthly and identity that has helped them either learn a new skill or somehow learned a new way of thinking, switch their perspective, so on so forth, and this can this can be translated into like our technological advancements that we've made. So this isn't just like, What can alien technology do for our military, but this is also what can these possibly higher dimensional beings do for our collective consciousness for our identity, for our sense of self? I mean, it's so much more than UFOs it's yes, so much more.
Martin O'Toole 51:03
Yeah, it absolutely is. And I'm glad a well done for bringing it back on track that was smooth and be you we've not We commonly think of aliens non human entities as Interstellar. We've not even discussed interdimensional now of course, that's going to crack open a whole other can of worms for people who already struggle
Terae De Cou 51:29
black worms.
Martin O'Toole 51:33
I should have said that was gonna crack open a whole kind of wormholes down this Miss comedic opportunity. But, but, but yeah, you're absolutely spot on. There have been countless accounts. In fact, I think Nikola Tesla even felt as though he was channelling the tech the technological advances that he was that he brought about, I think he was happy to not directly lay claim to them. Obviously, reaching into the annals of my murky mind there, but and there's a famous book called The Law of One, which is all to do with a psychic who was channelling the voice. And this is this is back to what we were talking about she the voice of what they call the man can't really call there was a something complex. But essentially, the one voice communicating with this woman was the voice of a of a unity consciousness. Six and a half million entities. All coexisting obviously they weren't bodies because they've advanced from third density. They were, I don't know the sixth day or 70. There were seven density beings seventh density beings, light, light force, right, just light energy, but they weren't the operators a collective six and a half million of them. So when one spoke, all we're speaking, get your head around that. So that's unity consciousness. Right? And of course, Ram Dass, who's the anniversary of his death? Actually, I think was last week or the week before Ram Dass famously had a friend called Emmanuelle. Do you know about Immanuel? Now do you tell well, so Emmanuelle was a manual as Ram Dass explains, right, your manual didn't have a body and a manual used to communicate with him through this woman called Pat road aghast? Pat, I think is patriotic. And so she was channelling this entity which was also a higher dimensional being, and like Brene Brown like Brene Brown exactly like Brene Brown Yeah, very much a more modern day example. And, and the information that Ram Dass was obtaining through his communication with this with Emmanuel was next level learning. Ram Dass is actually famously quoted as saying death is like taking off a very tight shoe. But he didn't actually say he recounted it was a manual, who told him that the manual told him all about how death was essentially not the end, it was just a transitional phase, just you know, you are energy, your your, your constant. So, there are there are many, many more people out there who talk about and who have written or published books about this where they've they've downloaded for want of a better word, profound learnings about how to be a better being, I suppose,
Terae De Cou 54:33
and this is this is how you know so if we're talking about interdimensional beings, and we're in the third dimension, right, so having any sort of communication maybe nonverbal communication with fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh 12th density beings just like it The net effect on us having those kinds of communication agreements with these kinds of beings is the same thing. When you're in, you're sitting with somebody that you really look up to who's like three, four or five steps ahead of you doing the things that you want to do. And you know, they've already done those things. And so they help you up the ladder. Yeah, because they have the experience of the road, well travelled. And they can lay out a path for you to make it easier for you to take those steps yourselves. And so, you know, again, this, this whole idea of like how aliens can be to our benefit is is fascinating. And I'm definitely more curious about interdimensional beings and how they might be like, I don't know, future versions of humans that come through the you know, time back to help save us because we know where you went wrong, right? famous Hollywood storytelling, but, but maybe it's something else, right? And I'm open to that too. And that would be really cool. I don't know, I don't know what your audience must be.
Martin O'Toole 56:11
switched off. Thanks for listening to the How to die happy podcast.
Terae De Cou 56:18
We appreciate. We appreciate it while it lasts.
Martin O'Toole 56:23
Because of diminished common alien,
Terae De Cou 56:26
you die, you become a fourth dimensional being. Maybe you go through your karmic cycle. And assuming you've levelled up, you become a fourth dimensional being. And you know, you do the fourth dimensional thing. We don't know what that looks like, just like we don't know what it looks like after death. And we won't know until we're on the other side of that
Martin O'Toole 56:44
curve. Yeah, well, I has a lot to unpack there. That was. That was epic. I first and foremost, I agree with you. I'm significantly more interested in interdimensional contact than I am UFOs for lots of reasons. But notwithstanding the fact that, as I alluded earlier on, I tend to, I tend to believe that actually, a lot of these things that have been seen in the sky are actually secret Earthlink projects. But, you know, this will probably blow a few people's minds. But plant medicine is an incredible way to communicate with interdimensional entities and I've had several, I've had more than several interactions with what's the word, it can only be entities that that did, actually, that were present, not human form, and very vividly present, and did communicate to me. telepathically. And, you know, just for the record, guys, I'm not the only person who says this. Most people who work it's very common, incredibly so. And I think actually, Graham Hancock, who's a phenomenally intelligent bloke, he was talking about, I think it may have been on DMT, the spirit molecule, which is a documentary about DMT and psychedelics, and they talk particularly about Ayahuasca and he recounts that there have been many studies done where a common theme for people when they're when they work with Ayahuasca or DMT, is that they are approached at a certain point in their journey by a number of entities or whatnot, or few entities.
Terae De Cou 58:26
What's the name? They give these entities a name and I don't remember what the name of these entities are.
Martin O'Toole 58:33
Is it machine elves? I think that was a machine. Terence McKenna special equals machina thing is, you know, I can see why Yeah, because they often the entities that I've seen, look, the kinda like have this weird. Trump's mash styling of almost like an, an Amazonian or indigenous person, but with high tech, headwear and but then also a little bit of a sort of an Egyptian costume carry around about them difficult to explain. There's an artist called John Gay, John Gay art.com I think and he his representations of psychedelic art and these entities are absolutely spot on in terms of some of the some of the creatures I've met.
Terae De Cou 59:29
Andrew Jones is another artist who does fantastic psychedelic art and encapsulates these machine elves and entities in a really beautiful way the machine
Martin O'Toole 59:41
knows well I thoroughly recommend it, especially if you are 100% Doubting anything that I'm saying right now and that too soon. Check it out, you know, do your own research, but if you if you are going to do that virus psychedelic journey, please do it responsibly with the right guy. All right in the right setting setting because I don't want you to get psychosis off the back of listening to how to die happy. That's not the point.
Terae De Cou 1:00:09
Also, if you do get psychosis, keep shooting. Keep going down this rabbit hole too.
Martin O'Toole 1:00:17
You might be more open. I don't know. Besides, what is psychosis? Right crack
Terae De Cou 1:00:23
just crack it open. Like it's just a classification.
Martin O'Toole 1:00:26
It's another form of identity politics. I think I get on just fine with you. And you're welcome to the party
Terae De Cou 1:00:43
so interestingly enough, when you talk about when you do psychedelic experiences as as a psycho not and you you know, meet these interdimensional beings so So I see this in the same way that here on Earth, we would do interstellar travel and meet aliens, right? So yeah. And when you think about, Okay, now this I'm gonna, I'm gonna take it kind of really macro when you think about the universe as being a fabric of time and space. Because that's all we're talking about, right? We're talking about when we when when we shoot a rocket up into space, and we want to go look for aliens, we are trans. Travel, travelling through space at a certain time, right. But if you did it the other way around, which is what I think is happening when you take psychedelics, and you're traversing time through space. It's, it's the other side of the coin. And that's the funny thing about the universe is like, there's the macro and the micro, the quantum you know what I mean? It's like, yeah, there are so many different ways to look at how we are travelling through the time and space fabric. And these are just two little cogs that we play with our physical space and where we are in the galaxy. And our concept and time are we 50,000 years in the future. And that's where the seven dimensional you know, interdimensional being is are we 70,000 years in the past, and we're talking about like, the machine hours for the mind called, you know, we have no way of knowing this
Martin O'Toole 1:02:32
just time, because time is a construct, right? Do you know, I did a very profound psilocybin journey a couple of years ago. And one of the things I downloaded from that particular experience was wrong. Two things. One, Buddhism is essentially a handbook to interdimensional travel. And two that I really wished I knew a quantum physicist who was open minded enough to go on one of these journeys with me because I because they could explain this a lot better than I can and I also believe that a quantum physicist would suddenly have a lot of the answers because you know the quantum is super important in this conversation we're talking about what we muggles understand the right you know, and that is the five senses you know that that what we can see smell touch yada yada, but But of course, we're also talking about metaphysics. metaphysics is a is a whole territory that is, has been investigated for a long time, but I would say Now certainly, you know, doing the how to die happy podcast as well. One thing I'm realising we're realising anybody on this journey with me, is the bridge between science and spirituality is closing up, you know, you've got the likes of the Institute of Noetic Sciences doing legit work into proving metaphysics proving and what is metaphysics? Well, metaphysics really dominant down is, it's the study of things that we can't detect with the five senses. You know, we're really gonna take it down to just boil it right down. Measurable, right, the unmeasurable presently and measurable, I suppose. So the idea that anyone would say categorically, there's no such thing as ghosts. There's no such thing as aliens. There's no such thing as interdimensional beings. There's no such thing as more one dimension. To me, it's, I respect that truth. Of course I do. But it's a bit sad as well. It makes me sad, do you do not respect that truth? But it makes me a little bit sad that they don't, that they don't see. And of course, the irony in that word, the use of the word See, they won't see it unless they can see it. And I've had this debate with a number of people and you know, I'm really keen to say and seriously pardon the pun opening Your eyes but then also a lot of this work can be done as we identified with the use of psychedelics you've come across Steven Greer
Terae De Cou 1:05:11
sounds familiar but reintroduce
Martin O'Toole 1:05:14
well. Actually, I'm just going to play a little trailer from his documentary. This is a documentary called unacknowledged. How do you keep something secret? You hide it in plain sight. Obvious.
Documentary 1:05:32
July 8 1947. The flying this has been found and is now in the possession of the army.
Martin O'Toole 1:05:38
If you look at the document sent to J. Edgar Hoover, three so called Flying Saucers had been recovered in New Mexico is become the number one document viewed on the FBI website.
Documentary 1:05:50
There have been at visitation and people have been attempting to conceal this knowledge. We actually did recoveries of bodies that were involved with some of these crashes. Question, well, you're going to tell the public about it. And they says no, we don't tell the public about this. There became to be this bifurcation, that the separation between legitimate national security and military operations and the deep black programmes that are unacknowledged
Martin O'Toole 1:06:20
I love it. I love a good trailer. Now Dr. Steven Greer, he's he's like big into the whole disclosure programme. And he is incredibly well known in the UFO ology space. But interestingly, one of the things he's pioneered is group meditations to call in UFOs. Because
Terae De Cou 1:06:47
we were talking about doing a group meditation you, me and a couple others from our respective places around the world. To do that, not to call in UFOs. But maybe we should get back to the house.
Martin O'Toole 1:07:00
But to do stuff, right, yeah, I well do stuff and the long and the short of what they do is they go out obviously into a place where there's no light pollution, where they can genuinely see what's going on. And then there's usually like 1020 of them. It's quite a big group and in the documentary unacknowledged, you get to see loads of this, you get to see video evidence of this. And they all essentially get into the same brainwave state and they and they essentially all collectively invite contact. And more often than not, a UFO turns up.
Terae De Cou 1:07:38
Similar to what the group of people that are working with the one the seven dimensional being also doing, they're going into a meditational state. And once they achieve a resonance within their group, they're able to then initiate or download or be open to receiving contact.
Martin O'Toole 1:08:00
And it's telepathic of course and and that's something else that these guys have managed to do essentially telepathic communication. Now I can I am always conscious, quite often more often than not these days on how to die happy and sometimes I'm saying things that may well, ostracise the audience or ostracise me from the audience. But But I all I ask people to do is just keep an open mind keep an eye it's actually two things, keep an open mind and keep an open heart. But there are there are more and more studies coming out more and more people coming out talking about these things. I understand there are lots of kooky types as well who are discrediting this kind of space. But, you know, fundamentally. Well, it is, isn't it? And, and of course, there are theories around that, and then actually being them being part of the, you know, the government sales strategy, exactly. To continue to discredit the concept by putting these high profile non credible personalities. But I suppose the whole conversation comes around, you know, do you believe in aliens or UFOs and I think I'm getting a yes from you.
Terae De Cou 1:09:16
100% Yes, I mean, I don't necessarily know about UFOs I have never personally witnessed one and yeah, I mean, I don't know do I 100% believe in them. No, do I 100% believe in aliens. Yes. You and I met one. She played a very wonderful heart for us as we went on our journey, and I very much saw her free version. and and beautiful. And I Yeah, 100% she's definitely an alien and, and I think there are different kinds, right. I do think there are the kinds that are hurting In US like cattle and sticking probes up are buttholes and that's not great, but also we do that so why should we expect that not to happen to us? I don't think there's you know, there's even some really far fetched ones that I have a hard time believing that I'm open to if it ended up coming out that there are lizard people on the planet doing lizard things then okay, you know, weirder shit is probably happening in the universe then than that if that's happening, there's even more weird things happening but you know, there's differences of like the greys and the greens and the blondes and the blacks there's the machine elves, there's interdimensional beings there's there's all different kinds of aliens and just so we're very clear, the word alien is really defined as belonging to a foreign country or nation or a foreigner, especially one who is not a naturalised citizen of the country or planet where they are living so so that is a very ambiguous term. Yeah, yes 100% aliens do exist. Are they all the same time? No, absolutely not. Do I know all of them? No, have I have I met more than just the one I previously mentioned? No, but I'm very much open to the fact that they are here in my mess there are more out in space we will continue having contacts and relationships with them they will continue to have an effect on us as individuals as a collective society. And some of its going to be positive and some of its going to be negative and I'm I'm just want to say that I'm here for all of that I'm on for the ride. I said chaos. We're good
Martin O'Toole 1:11:52
upon the chaos Express, it's leaving the station. Yeah. I'm totally down with you. I mean, you know obviously some people have well some people sadly living in a fear state me if if we had the Independence Day style vibe around the planet right now and you know full on alien invasion I'll be like, rockin Bring it on. What an adventure. Wow, I thought I'd had some interesting chapters to date. But forget it all. This is what a climax what an amazing Hero's Journey zapped by an alien plot
Terae De Cou 1:12:24
twist.
Martin O'Toole 1:12:27
And obviously, it'd be better if after that, then you know, we all will become like this, you know, loving group between us and all our differences are put to bed. But well, did I tell you that I saw a UFO
Terae De Cou 1:12:44
you have but details.
Martin O'Toole 1:12:46
So, dear listeners, this isn't just this was nothing to do with psychedelics. Right. So I was not in any altered state of consciousness whatsoever. I'd actually I was super sober, but I am sober. In fact, I'll be four years sober on February the ninth which is a which is a monumental thing in itself. And I'd hiked up a mountain in Turkey. Now Turkey, you may or may not know is our hotbed for UFOs they've got UFO sightings coming out the wazoo in Turkey. Check it out.
Terae De Cou 1:13:22
I've heard that what do you think's going on with Turkey?
Martin O'Toole 1:13:26
Well, there are theories as you might expect one theory is that because it's I mean, Turkey is a lot bigger than you than a lot of people think it's a it's a bloomin great big country and full of mountain ranges and unpopulated rural areas and there are there are theories out there that there are UFO Bases in the mountains but you know, that's not something I'm confirming or denying. But what I can confirm is I knew is Eve last year not the one we just had but the one prior to that and did a solo hike onto the top of this mountain and I settled camp in this really spooky old ruined city which was very cool. The city dated back to 500 ad while city it was a it was a you know like a quite a big
Terae De Cou 1:14:16
is it where they filmed Star Wars?
Martin O'Toole 1:14:19
No but oh yeah do you know that make a lot of sense if they filmed a Star Wars there actually Yeah,
Terae De Cou 1:14:24
so there's a there's there's a part of Star Wars that was filmed there. I filmed it.
Martin O'Toole 1:14:30
Oh, yeah. Yeah. costly. Did Yeah. We went to cup of Nokia separate story. Anyway, I'm, I made a fire. You know, I mean, some food, doing some meditation. And just right, this was New Year's Eve, you know, I'm just vibing and I had decided I wanted to watch the stars because I was quite keen to see you know, I heard about all of these UFO sightings. So I looked up and very quickly, probably Then five minutes, I saw something very, very high in the sky wasn't wasn't in the stratosphere. It was a light, which was brighter than a star. And it was moving really fast in one direction. Now, of course, first thing you think is aeroplane. Second thing you think is drone too high for drone? Definitely too high for drone. Third thing you thinking, because this was nighttime as well, certainly thinking is, what is the third thing I was thinking? Obviously, not nothing.
Terae De Cou 1:15:35
Coffee and Mountain Dew.
Martin O'Toole 1:15:38
I had a completely empty brain. No International Space Station, I don't know if you've ever seen but certainly the northern hemisphere. In the UK on certain nights, you can see the ISS like flying over. And it looks like you know, torn tensor purposes, you think, Wow, that is a UFO because it's going super fast. But it's also travelling in an arc in an orbital arc. So all of those things go through my mind, and I'm watching this thing, no word of a lie. It stopped. And then it came back. He did a right angle and came back. All right. So it's coming back down. And to my knowledge, there aren't any vehicles that can do that. And I watched this craft for almost 15 minutes do just that. We're where we oh, it would like it would go super fast. It was zipping around. But it was stopping. That was the interesting thing of stopping and then doing unusual stuff. I mean, obviously, the definition of a UFO is unidentified right and flying and an object. So I unequivocally saw a UFO, but not withstanding that, I saw something that could not be a craft, it was defined as an earthly craft, it was defying physics, in what it was doing. And eventually, and it was super high. I mean, you know, it was obviously quite far, far away. And then eventually, it just shut off, it actually increased speed even further and just disappeared.
Terae De Cou 1:17:15
Yeah, and this correlates with a lot of stories that are coming out. And this isn't just an American phenomenon, either. You know, this is there are organisations and governments around the world that have stories that are more or less the same as the stories that we're talking about on on this show. Where they have witnessed, and they by they I mean, it could have been just a common person in society. It could be an Air Force pilot in the government and everything in between academics and researchers and moms and dads. And there have been enough reports of these types of incidences across the globe, that have actually seem to have become more numerous as a result of our use of nuclear technology as a weapon. So once we started really playing around with weaponizing, our nuclear technology, did the reports and incidences of UFOs also increase causation? Not necessarily, but definitely correlation. And so this isn't this isn't just the United States and the American government and Roswell this is happening in Russia. This is happening in South America. This is happening in Asia. This is all over the place.
Martin O'Toole 1:18:48
Yeah. And on a on a large scale. He just reminded me actually famously in 1952, there was a UFO incident in Washington, DC, you know about this?
Terae De Cou 1:18:59
I've heard about that. Yeah. I had never heard about that up until just like late last year, early this year.
Martin O'Toole 1:19:10
I think are we talking about? Well, why aren't we talking about it? Because this is undisputed. Apparently there are a great number of people who filmed and photographed and saw this and of course, this is in the 50s I suppose there were were UFO movies.
Terae De Cou 1:19:26
But there there are still a lot of people, especially academics and scientists, who would have the credit to talk about these things still have the fear, because discredited D tenured and they will be they will remove their classification. They will they will their credentials and their life will become very uncomfortable. Yeah, they share certain things and beliefs and that's unfortunate because those are the people that the commons Oh US people are looking to to help us fill in the gaps of the stories that we might be hearing from the news media, but they're capitulated into silence and complacent by fear of threat of losing their tenure. Well, then
Martin O'Toole 1:20:15
that's another interesting point you make there, because who are we the general public looking to for our information? Now? On the ones news? Well, sadly, yeah, Fox News, CNN, BBC sky, you know, unfortunately, the lion's share of us believe everything that comes out of the mainstream media's mouths. And that's a whole other podcast, which I would gladly talk about, but but we have, we've changed in cultural terms now. So that, because we have 24/7 news, that is, that's where we go, isn't it? Well, it's, I it's not where I go, incidentally. But it's where a great a great many people go for their information. And it's gospel. And if it's not them, it's government. Right. And then you get scientists, accredited PhD, multiple PhD, you know, Nobel Prize winning the whole shebang, the most qualified scientists on the planet, who, incidentally, at one point or other, were paid advisors to the same governments were paid advisors to the same mainstream media, mainstream media outlets, when it suited them to have a credible scientist make contractors Yeah, right. Right. Same people, then when they if they do come out and say, Actually, I've got something to tell you, which is it goes against the narrative that you're being told here by the government and by the mainstream media, they are unequivocally vilified, shut down due to like a, an invading UFO. And so
Terae De Cou 1:21:47
many of them have lost their lives, right, let's, let's not, let's not paint this with sugar. Because a lot of people have lost their lives over things like of this nature, around what they've known what they've seen, what they've discovered, what they might share. You know, and that's worst case scenario at best, yeah, deep tenured and critically, you know, removed as, as from the platform of social hierarchies as a loony bin.
Martin O'Toole 1:22:16
Yeah. discredited by by academia and called quacks and, and it's so easily done, isn't it? Because you just you just need one journalist or one politician to discredit that person. And sadly, these say journalists, I use the word very loosely. And then sadly, the the, the mass, the masses have taken that narrative on board. So on the one hand, the doctor the professor said this, but then CNN said that and then that's it and, and unfortunately, then you're left with this. Doubt. And of course, there's cognitive dissonance to play with it. I wanted to talk about pyramids on Mars, but I'm running out of time.
Terae De Cou 1:22:56
We're gonna have to do another episode. I think aliens V two.
Martin O'Toole 1:23:02
Well, yeah, I'd love to do that. Because you know that there is photographic evidence of pyramid and and a number of structures and a face on Mars, which it has been hypothesised could be a very old, very worn Egyptian structure.
Terae De Cou 1:23:24
The relationship between aliens and Egyptians and pyramid technology is fascinating. You go down that black hole with your mind,
Martin O'Toole 1:23:37
I think we should do that we had a wonderful guest on just before Christmas, we interviewed the founder of the pyramids of chi Peter Macintosh. Achieving sound healing you met Peter. Lovely session that was and we were so we spoke to him at length about the mysteries of the pyramids. And then we did a we did a live sound healing session. Well, my darling, I could do this until Christmas 2024. However, time that being a construct, of course, is
Terae De Cou 1:24:13
Yeah, there's definitely there's definitely so much more we didn't unpack here. But um, yeah, I think there's, there's like I said, there's a lot more coming out and especially in June of this year 2022 from the United States knock on wood, right. They have made a promise they have made an affidavit so to speak to to produce evidence of which to speak to UFOs specifically and aliens in general. And so that's coming out June 2022. I will be very busy that month. Hopefully if it's released, diving into the deep weeds of whatever they have decided to muddle up with the jargon that is political talk
Martin O'Toole 1:25:01
well, and I will I will second your invitation for people to check that out and do their own research. Although when you begin this research and go down this rabbit hole, you might also find out about another operation. It's a project that alleges that the Deep State or the Cabal has an alien invasion planned for us all. And this is a way to ultimately unifiers through fear under a one world government.
Terae De Cou 1:25:29
Resistance is futile.
Martin O'Toole 1:25:38
Want a way to end the podcast
Terae De Cou 1:25:40
love my friend. This is this has been super fun.
Martin O'Toole 1:25:43
Live long and prosper my darling. I'm gonna choose to do that. It's what the Vulcans do live long and prosper. I've really enjoyed myself. See you soon.
